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GA Review for SS El Occidente

Bellhalla, I just wanted to let you know that I have completed the GA review for your article SS El Occidente. The review can be found here: Talk:SS El Occidente/GA1. The article is on hold for seven days to let you address the issues that I found with the article. All of my comments are minor (I think!), and should be able to be fixed or responded to with a minimal amount of time and effort! Please feel free to contact me via the review page (I have it watchlisted) or my talk page. Dana boomer (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS El Sol, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 10:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

How did you find sources for SS El Sol

Hi. I was just reading SS El Sol, and I wonder, did you actually go find old newspapers to use as sources? Or did you use newer sources that in turn referred to the old articles? I'm just curious, really. --Apoc2400 (talk) 14:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Through my university library. The database is called something like "Proquest Historic Newspapers" (or something like that). — Bellhalla (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Are they digitized? --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, to an extent. You can search for terms, names, etc., which are compared to a full text version of the article. When you open the link, you are presented with a pdf file with an image of the article or advertisement (no text that you can copy or paste, for example), with an option to see the content in the context of the full page of the newspaper. The OCR for the text searches seems to be pretty good (though there's no way of knowing what articles are missed because of it). — Bellhalla (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! --Apoc2400 (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS El Oriente, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 11:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

SS Dakotan DYK

Just so you know I moved your SS Dakotan DYK submission to Aug 13 since that's when the expansion started. There is a minor citation issue that can be easily corrected for your first hook. --Captain-tucker (talk) 11:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the heads up. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review of USS Henry R. Mallory (ID-1280)

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that I have completed the GA review for USS Henry R. Mallory (ID-1280), with the review being located at Talk:USS Henry R. Mallory (ID-1280)/GA1. I have placed the item on hold, as there are just a couple of quick items to respond to. Please let me know either on the review page (which I have watchlisted) or on my talk page if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 15:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

USS City of South Haven (ID-2527)

I just created the above article and could use some help with it as ships are not really my area of expertise. I plan on working on it more tomorrow, but any help or advice you could offer would be appreciated. KnightLago (talk) 03:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a great start, but still needs some more work (but you knew that already, right?). Some suggestions that may help:

• The Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships (DANFS for short) has information on the ship (scant though it is) here. WikiProject Ships has put together a guide for converting the public domain text from DANFS into Wikipedia articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/DANFS conversions.
• Some general article guidelines are found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Guidelines#Article Construction, and ship infobox information and an example can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Tables.

If you have any questions or find any of the information confusing or seemingly contradictory, just ask. I'll try to help the best I can. Good luck working on it. — Bellhalla (talk) 03:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I got a basic outline going but it needs a lot of work. I will work on sourcing and improvement tomorrow. Anything you could do to help would be great. Thanks! KnightLago (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

When you get a minute could take a look at the above article and offer any suggestions or advice that come to mind? I looked at adding a ship infobox, but at this point it is beyond me. Thanks! KnightLago (talk) 01:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess besides more in-depth details, the only information I am having trouble with is the technical information about the ship. I really don't know how to format and describe the tons and length and stuff. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. KnightLago (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice expansion! I'll take a stab a creating the infobox but it won't be for a couple of days. — Bellhalla (talk) 04:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Reviews

Hello again! I've completed the GA reviews for SS El Sol (found at Talk:SS El Sol/GA1) and SS El Oriente (found at Talk:SS El Oriente/GA1). Both articles are currently on hold to allow you time to deal with a few minor issues. Let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 19:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I hope I've addressed the concerns you had with both articles. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. — Bellhalla (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

		The WikiChevrons
		For contributing to the Iowa class battleship FAR and helping the article maintain its bronze star I herby award you the WikiChevrons. Thanks for your help, I apreciate it. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS Pennsylvanian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS Dakotan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Naval ships by era

I understand why you are watching this category, but can you explain why you think that Category:Military history by era applies to the Category:Naval ships by era? As I see it, naval ships are just weapons, and only actions they participated in would be history--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 11:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The category Category:Military history by era was placed on Category:Ships by era by an IP user. Since the latter category encompasses all ships, not just military ships, I moved the IP's cat addition from the latter category to Category:Naval ships by era. By the way, I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that naval ships are "just weapons", but I certainly have no objection to their inclusion in Category:Weapon history. — Bellhalla (talk) 11:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, naval ships I supposed to be warships that belong to navies, and they are by and large weapon platforms while civilian ships are not. I'm not sure what is under the Category:Ships by era, but if they are passenger ships that were at some stage used by navies, they need to be moved to the Category:Naval ships by era since at the time of their use by navies they were either armed or carried some sort of military materiel such as armed troops, or military cargo and usually had some rudimentary auxiliary armament added, if only AA machine-guns that made them armed merchantmen and therefore subject to naval engagement during conflicts. These engagements are the military history part, but they would have articles of their own usually titles Action of XX Month, YYYY year at ZZZZZZZZZ place. The articles about the vessels themselves are just that, histories of their use (summaries of logs)--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 12:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

If you re-read my comment, I was not disputing that naval ships are weapons, only your contention that they are just weapons. I have my opinion, you have yours, but the category can be in both (as it is now) to support each view. I'm cool with that.

As far as the distinction of "ships" versus "naval ships": "Ships by era" does include non-naval vessels. Ships that have been both civilian and naval ships—like SS Kroonland, a passenger liner but also a commissioned transport in WWI—should be (and for the most part are) properly categorized in both an appropriate "ship" and "naval ship" category. — Bellhalla (talk) 12:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so aside from the classification issues, what else is a warship other than a weapon platform, or a weapon with sea-going capability? Opinions are a plenty in Wikipedia, but I'm curious where you gained yours given the lots of quality articles you have done because I will be touching on the subject elsewhere--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 14:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes they are weapons platforms, but you can also consider them a fighting unit, much like one would a battalion or a division. (Certainly on a macro scale, a battalion, division, or army could conceivably be considered a "weapon" of sorts to the generals moving them around.) — Bellhalla (talk) 14:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

SS Washingtonian

On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS Washingtonian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Reviews

Hi! Congraduations on two more well-written articles. I have completed the GA reviews of SS Dakotan (the review is at Talk:SS Dakotan/GA1) and SS Washingtonian (the review is at Talk:SS Washingtonian/GA1). I have placed the Dakotan on hold to allow time to review a couple of minor concerns. The Washingtonian I have passed to GA status. I did have one comment in the review, but it was nothing that would prevent the article from passing. If you have any questions, you can ask them on the review pages or on my talk page. Dana boomer (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:The Lawrence Journal-World front page.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:The Lawrence Journal-World front page.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. ViperSnake151 15:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

About Зырянин

According to this http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fesco/second/f260.html the correct variant is Зырянин. Зыряне - Komi_peoples Hellinalj (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. — Bellhalla (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 26 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article SS Montanan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your contributions, and all the best for your GAC! - Mailer Diablo 13:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

		The Milhist A-Class medal
		For prolific work on three ship-related articles – USS Mercy (AH-4), SS Pennsylvanian and SS Dakotan – all promoted to A-Class in August 2008, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the Milhist A-Class medal --ROGER DAVIES talk 15:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)