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2006: 23/01/06 - 17/02/08

2007: Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007 (05/02/2008 - 01/03/2008)

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Thanks

Thanks for finishing my job at Template:Politics of Ukraine your version looks (even better) then mine! Razom Nas Bahato! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you liked what I've done to it. :-) — Alex Khristov 23:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

No gas leaks any more

I agree I think the gas crisis should be withheld for the time being == Thanks. I have a Yulia Tymoshenko scarf given to me when I attended her very very very long speech during the 2006 election campiagn. I was going to burn it BUT I would be pleased to forward to you.Kurtdaydo (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC).

I would love to get it from you :). But don't know where you life. I life in the netherlands (surprised? :) ), so it could be quite expensive for you to send it to western europe... (I did get a Kyiv calender from a vriend in Kyiv so the Ukraine mail does work properly :). I will probabley go to Ukraine on summer holiday (but I dont know if I go to your town, I don't even know in what town you life....) I'm very curious where you life anyhowe :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC).

Re:Tina Karol

Hi Mariah-Yulia! Thanks for your comments. I got kind of busy at the Ukrainian Wiki, that's why I didn't answer earlier. Well, I don't live in Ukraine either (haven't for quite a few years...) and I am not really an expert at Ukrainian music, especially pop - Ruslana, Okean Elzy & VV are the only ones I know well. I edited those articles because first of all I want to help make articles on Ukraine-related subjects more comprehensive, especially those which are more or less known to the Western world (that is, folks may search for them). I'll be sure to find out more about Tina Karol and her studies! Also, I think that the article on Ruslana needs to be improved. (I remember someone posted there stuff about her that I wrote, actually translated from Ukr, especially for a fan site where it was later published. It was really funny to find it later in the Wiki article! But the article was considerably reduced since then because it came out too large...) Anyway, I'll try to do my best, and feel free to contact me if you need translation from Ukr or so. And may I add, your user page is awesome ;) Cheers! --Betty kerner (talk) 23:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Betty! Thanks for your answer! Your reasons for editing about Ukrainian subjects is the same as mine :) Mabey it would be a good idea to create a wikipage called: Ruslana discography (more pages like that excist (see: New Order discography. I live and was born in the netherlands and have never heard of Okean Elzy & VV......

You know little about Ukraine. They are one of the most famous groups in Ukraine. I have had the pleasure of meeting them twice. Once in Ylata and once in Lvov Kurtdaydo (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want I can insert the these colours in your user page, basicly I just copied my layout from other Wikipedians so feel free to copy my! Thanks for the compliment! And your help, I'm trying to learn Ukrainian but progres is slow......... PS it's suprising I always get so wel along with Ukrainian woman. I'm a man and I am glad there are some woman now editing on Ukrainian subject, as far as I know you are the only one.... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Mariah-Yulia, how are you? Sorry, I have been away for so long and didn't do anything for the Project Ukraine. The main reason is that I figured that English wiki alreasy has loads of high quality articles and contributors... which I wouldn't say about the Ukrainian Wiki. So I decided to concentrate on working on it instead. We just passed the 100k+ articles mark, by the way :) But there are loads of stubs, it all deperately needs improvement. Have you heard the news about NATO & Ukraine & Georgia? I'm a bit confused. today so many Russians vandalized Ukr Wikipedia, ha ha, they were angry, and so nasty, seems like the dicision about Ukraine and NATO pissed them off since they took all that trouble writing so much crap & screwing up pages. Anyway, I'll be sure to get back & participate in the project as much as I can! Contact me any time at all! Cheers! P.S. I was surprised that you're a man - first, this nickname, (even tho I know these are the names of your favorite women), and also you seemed too passionate, more like a woman than a guy LOL! Okay, it's not a personal forum so I should stop until they put me down. Just a question: are you familiar with Fofudja? If you spoke Russian/Ukrainian you'd get a kick of it!--Betty kerner (talk) 00:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for late reaction, I've been on a short wikibreak... I would like to get to know you better :). Can we exchange e-mails or MSN? (See head of this talkpage)

Hallo Mariah-Yulia! For some reasons I can't email you - this email function don't work =/ I don't know what's wrong with it. they send me a link to activate this function, but it doesn't work. And I don't have MSN... maybe there are any other options? By the way, it seems like Tina Karol is indeed still attenting the university, I'll be sure to finally find sources... Been busy at Ukr wiki, got involved in disputes :) --Betty kerner (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks a lot. BTW, there is also a Ukrainian Order of St. Nicholas. I feel guilty that you beat me in awarding today. I was about to post an award to you. Now I will have to wait a little :). For now, just accept my thanks for your enthusiasm and dedication. --Irpen 23:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your proposal. I have no problem with your being "too Orange" or too anything. I try to be moderate but this is a matter of personal choice. If I may, I would like to mention another part, of your self-description. You say you are "too bold". Not really. I think you just may be a little to passionate :)

If I remember correctly, our first encounter was the Sikorsky article. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. If I may give you an advice, please think a little about the "too passionate" part.

As for your proposal, while I appreciate her for a lot of things, it is best (IMO) to keep the userspace out of politics (including both Vityas as well.) There are even policies about this somewhere out there (not strictly enforced, though.) People use their userspace to campaign for a lot of things, from the clean environment to partitioning the particular countries. At one time I almost decided to put an Orange Ribbon on my page but in the end, I thought to better keep it clear. There are ways to campaign for change and the Wikipedia should not be one of them. Wikipedia, should be reflective rather than promotive. --Irpen 05:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I will keep your thoughts in mind. I decided not to use the award your DDima's advice and the reaction from that dude from Gorki on your userpage (stil think it was none of his bussiness, I don't tell the people of Project Russia what kind of awards they should give, if the want to start giving Putin awards that's fine with me...) gave me the impression that I was understood wrongly. The award was first mend as a joke! Because I have learned to be carefyull with humor I decided to ask advice first.... Wikipedia is a great tool to learn to work toghetter! I try to learn that from it! So thanks for the lessons! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the award!

Many thanks for the award! I will continue to work on Ukrainian subjects wherever I have knowledge and illustrations! The latter I think is important to any article! Narking (talk) 18:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

Just wanted to congratulate you on your magnificent insight and power to predict things. You are prophetically right, generally I don't listen to people who off-hand think of me as evil. Never mind me, I don't listen anyway... --Hillock65 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Євпаторія = Yevpatoriya

Дуже, дуже дякую за допомогу!
But how long will I have to wait until I may be allowed to do the 'right' thing, that is moving this article with a correct title? ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well you have some good arguments to proof that google is misleading! So I don't think there is not much risk here. Usually problems with renaming cities on Wikipedia occur when Russian names are replaced by Ukrainian (see Talk:Kiev ore Talk:Kharkiv) Evpatoria doesn't seem to have that problem.... The main argument not renaming Kiev to Kyiv is always that foreigners have used the name Kiev for so long. Once again Evpatoria doesn't seem to have that problem cause it's not that famous :). I don't know what is best to do on Wikipedia (I made some mistakes here too). User:Irpen gave me the best advice how to edit on wikipedia: Dont be too passionate (see:User talk:Mariah-Yulia#Thanks!). Maybe it's best to wait until a week passes since your request (to rename the article)! Then nobody can accuse you of bad faith or being reckless. Дякую i до побачення. P.S. My Ukrainian is awful (I'm from the netherlands) I'm thinking of going to Kyiv this summer to learn the language! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

racism and discriminiation

Here is some good links under the "Human Rights" section for racism and discrimination: [1]. The links are for Amnesty International Report and Freedom House and so on. Not sure if you have seen them already, but they are pretty interesting. The other links look pretty good too. Enjoy! Ostap 17:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks interesting! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Great work with that article by the way. Ostap 23:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, for obvious reasons I don't want to see BYuT linked with a neo-nazi group. But UNA-UNSO website is pretty shady...... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

photos

I agree that either Tymoshenko or Yushchenko should be put in the image. You might want to restart the discussion to see what others think... Ostap 00:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I restarted the discusion where it stoped the last time. From an international point of view, who is more known worldwide Tymoshenko or Yushchenko? It used to be Yushchenko, but I'm not sure now, besides with Yulia Tymoshenko there would be two woman in the picture. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

PS User:M.V.E.i. who "suported" Nestor Makhno the most is blocked for a year.

FYI

Russia-Ukraine relations was recently created. It is just waiting for you. Ostap 03:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning, but I don't have much time now... I'm doing a project with my bff from Yevpatoria (you see it can work :) ) and I don't want to ruin that by investing to much time in a possible edit war. Article looks fine, but tells nothing.... I hope Lvov instead of Lviv was an accident.... I prefer to call Kharkov by it's Russian name cause the inhabitants of Kharkov use that name too. Will try to update page when I have time again. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Kyiv elections

I give you this Ukraine Barnstar for improving Kyiv mayoral election, 2008‎, and for creating those nice looking result tables.

I was thinking, do we even need to keep the "polls" section? We have the results so the polls are pretty much meaningless, right? Ostap 06:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Second that. Thanks a lot Mariah-Yulia for taking the time to update the article, I totally forgot about it.. (who wouldn't with those results, eh?) Actually, I believe the whole article could be moved to Kiev local election, 2008 so as to give the election to the Kiev City Council fair coverage like the elections for the mayor.. Thanks again, —dima/talk/ 21:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ostap! Thanks DDima! I think we should keep the polls cause there so different then the results (probable has to do something cause the low turnout...) I could do more with the article but with those results.... I lack the will..... moveing it to Kiev local election, 2008 is a good idea! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Это как понять?

I did not quite understood your message that you put on my talk page. Football, R-U relations, Drevnerusskiy yazyk. Did my talk page just became a target to let off steam or was there any clear meaning to that comment? I am aware that R-U relations article which I added info to is unsourced, and the whole point of wikipedia is that you make an article, jot down some loose ideas, someone else can then take them and build on them, someone else can then again improve that make it conscise etc. I never indtended the version that is written there to be final and don't expect it to be. If someone bitches their frustration of it being a POV then I interpret that only as a compensating reflex for their INABILITY to write articles! And my comment on Old Russian is exactly that, when in 48 hours you have a swarm of editors who don't even bother to read and investigate the arguments voice their opinion as strict oppose. I hope you are aware this does not imply to DDima or Riurik or many other editors with whom we have great mutual respect, but to a certain group of individuals whose reverts and talk page rants outnumber their article space edits exponentially. These stubborn people are never going to accept that they are wrong even if the original disputed parties have long given up, I can give you a hundred examples of their activities. Just for refrence have a look at Talk:Zaporozhian Cossacks and how more time was spent disputing the destruction than the actual article which is still unfinished and falls short of wiki standards. PS:Two years ago I did not feel sorry for Switzerland missing all their penalties, nor did I go around other people's talk pages doing that because that is low. --Kuban Cossack 08:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I was afraid you became one of These stubborn people you discribe above (and OK I was also letting of steam...) it's nice to know that is not the case! I agree with all your comments. Sorry about my footbal hooligan actions, that was childisch. I would wish Russian theam the best of luck but since there playing against the team of my country... I wan't to celibrate like in 1988 again... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 15:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

gogol

You remember asking this? His books are very good. Here is our list: Template:Works by Gogol. If you only read one of his works ever, make it Taras Bulba. I recommend reading his collections of heavily Ukrainian influenced short stories: Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka and Mirgorod (Gogol). Regards. Ostap 22:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I did remember and User:Narking has recommended his books as well. I will surley try it now. Thanks for the tips. I'm now bussy planning a trip to Kyiv (to learn Ukrainian) in August so Gogol has to wait a while do Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

re:Russia – Ukraine relations

I really don't know how to get that article going. It seems it will always be a magnet for imperialist POV pushers. Most likely they will all claim I am a POV pusher also. I propose you take charge and develope it as you think would be best. Ostap 02:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I did the best I could :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice idea

"Varius Russians" instead of Russians really looks better. Thank you girl. Log in, log out (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, bit unexpected this, Russians keep amazing me :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wait for the World Cup 2010 in South Africa :-P Log in, log out (talk) 19:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully there not gonna be in the same group as Ukraine there... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't want them to met anywhere but the finals. It annoyes me Ukraine and Belarus recived a hard group in the qualification. With England and Croatia. Well, England one of them might pass, and i hope someone of them will, but Croatia will be hard, and i also like Croatia seens they helped us to climb to the Euro (to said we couldn't bring them against spain). My father said that if Russia wants to win the World Cup they need Plushenko skating around the football field (hey? He brought Bilan a victory. He won it even thought Bilan was there!). Log in, log out (talk) 19:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I changed the formulation on Korolev. If you want check it and change if you dont like. Log in, log out (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks better now :), ofcourse Plushenko would be a great help to the Russian team cause he has a Ukrainian name :) I'm afraid England and Croatia are to strong teams for the Ukrainian team... Luckly there is still 2012 Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

England? Strong? Their league is strong thanks to players from abroad. Their natinal team is based on the only truely English team in England, West Ham, and those players today, lets just say West Ham are not in their peak today. If Ukraine wont get scared and confuse the English team with it's league, they take them. Log in, log out (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

After two hours he makes a hole in my brain, i took this text as top serious. I can see you avoide entering the argument, smurt move. This guy and what he started their is the first serious chaos i have seen on Wikipedia. I never thought such users really exist, i thought the're just a story to scare little kids who say "i want to become a wikipedian!" after there mom asks them "so darling, what do you want to be when you grow up?". I have seen it all now. Log in, log out (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Mabey you can use this experience in real life :) , although watch out sometimes people who look like a vandalist can make articles better (I mean better balanced), as I found out at the Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007 article. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, theres even a barnstar for such users, for adding flavour or something like that. The problem is he provocates discussion on topics which are nor in the article, and not candidates to enter there. He just raises propoganda. Log in, log out (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Mariah-Yulia, you have every right to believe whatever you want and support whoever you want, but your disparaging remarks in my address were uncivil and uncalled for. Please stay away from personal characterizations and focus on content instead. In short, I am disappointed in you, I thought better of you than that. --Hillock65 (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I offended you. You have created some really interesting articles but I do think you are bit too suspicious when it comes too Russian editors, I belief a more friendly approach towards them leads to better results (see above and below) and Talk:Ukrainians in Russia. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thank you! Your the best. Log in, log out (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks/ДЯКУЮ! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Why the Kremlin Is So Scared of Ukraine

If you haven't already read it, be sure to read this interesting article [2]. And it's written by a Russian! Narking (talk) 21:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, the article makes a lot of sence! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it sure does. And the fact that it's a Russian who has written it gives a little hope to Russia! Narking (talk) 21:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, never been to Russia so can't tell.... but if Russians believe TV channels like Russia Today (I got the idea that the almost never say all the facts) I have no hope... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree there isn't much hope, but there are still some fairly free media such as Echo of Moscow with great journalists like Yulia Latynina. She also writes in Novaya Gazeta and The Moscow Times which also are good to read if you want to know what's going on in Russia. And you also have the web news such as the two Gazetas [3] and [4]. But of course most Russians get their news from state controlled TV which makes them to hate Ukraine and Georgia (plan to go there this summer by the way!). Narking (talk) 22:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for intervening here, but do not trust Latynina. She is Gapon. See this letter by Boris Kuznetsov. Biophys (talk) 02:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've read that too. It's always hard to know for sure who journalists work for. Narking (talk) 07:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way wasn't George Gapon Ukrainian? Doesn't say so in his article though. Narking (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info people! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It does not make any sense ("Ukraine as danger of successfull example for Russia" idea is silly at times when Russian cities are teeming with Ukrainian illegals willing to take any dirty and heavy job Russians are unwilling to do, if anything Orange Ukraine is a great booster for Putinists, as in "follow Western puppets like Kasparov and you'll live as Ukrainians") and plays heavily on the racist undertones of Russian and Western fears of the Yellow Scare (Yellow Peril swallowing Siberia whole), but the fact it exists speak volumes of the media freedom in Russia. Try to get Russophilic article equally heavy ladden with propaganda cliches published in the Economist and you'll understand what I mean. 206.186.8.130 (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It is a Column, Columns don't need to be fact checked. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Response

The BBC article specifically says TV media is mostly owned/controlled by the Kremlin. Mass media comprises of more than just TV, there are numerous newspapers, websites etc.. That are independently owned (in fact the vast majority of media in Russia has no ties to the Kremlin). Thus, your change was quite misleading. This article is not just about TV media. Please also refrain from removing factual information from the article per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Is there some reason you would want to prevent readers from knowing that most non-TV media in Russia is independent? Or was it mainly the quote you were referring to? Assuming that's the case, I tried to salvage the statistics, and incorporate the BBC article into the lead as well. Tell me what you think.

(Also, I don't appreciate you accusing me of writing propaganda. I wasn't the one who wrote that intro in the first place.) Krawndawg (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your nice words and the reward! I hope to work together with you in the future. Warm regards, Biophys (talk) 02:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome! I'll keep an eye on Web Brigades in case the KGB tries to delete it again... and again... etc. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Then you should be aware of Tag teams, see also here and here. Keep in mind that some people like bad jokes (see this red userbox or this red userbox, for example). Look how Ostap tried to help me out, and what had happened. But perhaps you already know that. Certainly, I would highly appreciate your help, and you are welcome to ask any questions. Thanks again!Biophys (talk) 04:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused what your warning me for :-| , I (seem to) have quite good relations with Russian editors. I think staying polite is a key to good relation. I will help where I can but I'm no expert on Russia and a lot more interested in Ukraina then in Russia. I was more ironic then serious with my KGB remark btw. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I did not warn you about anything, just pointed out something you possibly do not know. Sorry, I did not understand your irony, since I consider this subject to be important. Best regards,Biophys (talk) 17:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Biophys you know all about tag teaming don't ya! Hows your old edit-war pal Pieter doing anyways? Haven't seen him around in a while. Maybe the KGB got him...oh who am I kidding, you guys are obviously working for the CIA to destroy Russia's reputation and are well protected. ;) LokiiT (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Please use the edit summary to just summarize the edit, not to make comments about other editors.[5] Regards. —Michael Z. 2008-07-25 21:08 z

Sorry about that, I was trying to be ironic... I do think that whoever removed Orange Revolution was wrong Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of comment from Talk:2008 South Ossetia War

Please see Wikipedia's talk page policy. Whether the anonymous user's opinion made sense or not (which I state no opinion on) was not the point. Talk pages are for improving the attached articles; other discussion will be removed. -- SCZenz (talk) 06:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

CIS

It has been nice working with you :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, likewise. :-) But I have a feeling we might see some edit wars later on. — Alex Khristov 22:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Controversy over Abkhazian and South Ossetian independence

I proposed speedy deletion a few days ago, but took it down when someone told me they would balance it. It has seen no change. I agree with you that it needs to be deleted. I cannot see what the point of the article is. If you want, try to go through WP:Articles for deletion. Let me know if you do. Ostap 02:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well if it becomes a place to discuss scholarly analysis and all politicians are removed in my opinion it can stay, I wouldn't find it an interesting article though.... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)