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== Involved and uninvolved admins ==

Without starting a new thread on the topic, a very specific notice on the multiple threads related to [[Chiropractic]].

As this was an inquiry on an Arbitration remedy, I have kept an eye on this issue. I notice that you have been verging on [[WP:TE|tendentiously]] arguing on this. You have been told this by a number of users but ignored them. Specific issues that I notice that suggest tendentiousness:

# You presented initially [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elonka&diff=240961357&oldid=240928403 three diffs] claiming to show Elonka's involvement. Your description indicated these were evidence of being in a content dispute. These were each spurious - when examined the first was about civility, editors' roles and some content issues others need to attend to, and the other two about editor conduct. None of these three shows any significant involvement in the topic beyond that of an administrative nature.
# '''EdJohnston''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elonka&diff=240966243&oldid=240966124] and <br />'''MBisanz''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elonka&diff=240966811&oldid=240966243] <br />both told you these showed nothing of the kind on that talk page, '''as did I''' at [[WP:AN]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=240972395].
# The next day you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241036929 posted the exact same 3 diffs] you had already been told were irrelevant, this time at [[WP:AN]], again stating they showed a "content dispute", adding two more that you claimed showed an "edit war". A check on these showed they related to use of formatting (MOS) matters only - ie should some words be linked or not.
# '''Erachima''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241037673][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241076403], <br />'''Lifebaka''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=241054965&oldid=241052935], <br />'''DigitalC''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241096958], and <br />'''Jayvdb''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241842450] <br />then all posted there saying inbrief that none of these showed a content dispute.
# '''JzG''' indicated you were becoming tendentious, and simply told you to [[WP:STICK|Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=241183931].
# Despite being told twice now that the diffs showed nothing, and being told to let go of the matter, you then returned yet again, in yet another venue, to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic/Admin_log&diff=241676523&oldid=241378745 remove] Elonka from the admin page. The edit summary linked the user to the same AN discussion containing those identical diffs (a ''third'' time now!), even though the linked discussion showed no agreement, and contained both JzG and Jayvdb's comments to the effect that you appeared to be trying to create something out of nothing and this should end''.


I looked at other areas you edit. At [[Talk:Chiropractic]] I found this:

# You posted the same three diffs there as well (making 3 different venues you'd posted them so far) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=240776698&oldid=240775204], later adding the same two other diffs as above later [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=240963772&oldid=240948013]. It gained [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=241095225&oldid=241093667 this response] ''"QG, I really wish you were joking when I read stuff like this. Elonka was not involved in a "content dispute", as there was no "content" being disputed"''.
# Your reply to others' concerns was to not meet the concerns, but instead to say ''"I have already provided evidence Elonka has been involved in a content dispute"''. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=241175825&oldid=241172662]
# On the 26th following your second post at AN, you posted the same a second time at the article as well [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chiropractic&diff=241039927&oldid=241034235], also claiming that ''"The Wikipedia community has been notified of Elonka's involvement in edit war and a content dispute"''. You got two responses, both fairly dismissive of your statement there (Surturz and Fyslee).

Thanks for understanding. [[user:FT2|FT2]]&nbsp;<sup><span style="font-style:italic">([[User_talk:FT2|Talk]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/FT2|email]])</span></sup> 01:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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Involved and uninvolved admins

Without starting a new thread on the topic, a very specific notice on the multiple threads related to Chiropractic.

As this was an inquiry on an Arbitration remedy, I have kept an eye on this issue. I notice that you have been verging on tendentiously arguing on this. You have been told this by a number of users but ignored them. Specific issues that I notice that suggest tendentiousness:

  1. You presented initially three diffs claiming to show Elonka's involvement. Your description indicated these were evidence of being in a content dispute. These were each spurious - when examined the first was about civility, editors' roles and some content issues others need to attend to, and the other two about editor conduct. None of these three shows any significant involvement in the topic beyond that of an administrative nature.
  2. EdJohnston [1] and
    MBisanz [2]
    both told you these showed nothing of the kind on that talk page, as did I at WP:AN [3].
  3. The next day you posted the exact same 3 diffs you had already been told were irrelevant, this time at WP:AN, again stating they showed a "content dispute", adding two more that you claimed showed an "edit war". A check on these showed they related to use of formatting (MOS) matters only - ie should some words be linked or not.
  4. Erachima [4][5],
    Lifebaka [6],
    DigitalC [7], and
    Jayvdb [8]
    then all posted there saying inbrief that none of these showed a content dispute.
  5. JzG indicated you were becoming tendentious, and simply told you to Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass [9].
  6. Despite being told twice now that the diffs showed nothing, and being told to let go of the matter, you then returned yet again, in yet another venue, to remove Elonka from the admin page. The edit summary linked the user to the same AN discussion containing those identical diffs (a third time now!), even though the linked discussion showed no agreement, and contained both JzG and Jayvdb's comments to the effect that you appeared to be trying to create something out of nothing and this should end.


I looked at other areas you edit. At Talk:Chiropractic I found this:

  1. You posted the same three diffs there as well (making 3 different venues you'd posted them so far) [10], later adding the same two other diffs as above later [11]. It gained this response "QG, I really wish you were joking when I read stuff like this. Elonka was not involved in a "content dispute", as there was no "content" being disputed".
  2. Your reply to others' concerns was to not meet the concerns, but instead to say "I have already provided evidence Elonka has been involved in a content dispute". [12]
  3. On the 26th following your second post at AN, you posted the same a second time at the article as well [13], also claiming that "The Wikipedia community has been notified of Elonka's involvement in edit war and a content dispute". You got two responses, both fairly dismissive of your statement there (Surturz and Fyslee).

Thanks for understanding. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]