Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kaunas Fortress/archive1

Kaunas Fortress

Nominator(s): M.K. (talk)

• Featured article candidates/Kaunas Fortress/archive1

Kaunas Fortress is already a good article, it also got an A-class rating from military department. Article is topical, as it covers the history of the largest and best preserved originally Russian Empire's fortress. Article is written using newest academic research on the subject, richly illustrated with pictures, both contemporary and present, article is stable and comprehensive. I think article meets all FA criteria. M.K. (talk) 12:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Support as nominator, M.K. (talk) 12:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

As the principle contributor and nominator, your support is assumed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The writing needs ironing out throughout: here are examples of why, just from the top.

• The link to redoubt is good, but it's a very unusual term and our readers shouldn't have to divert, as I did, to learn the basic meaning; could you gloss it in a brief phrase? Are we meant to know about some grading hierarchy for fortress? I'm mysified.
  • Removed redoubt. Re "first-class", it's used by at least two of our sources, but I can't find any more info on the grading system; could take it out. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
• "... obsolete; after [year], it was used only for c p and as a g." (Two different ideas are currently blurred into the one sentence.)
  • Separated sentences. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
• The "Some ..." sentence: there are two "ands" in it, so insert a comma after the first one.
• Infobox: what does "from 19th century end" mean? And why just "1915"?
  • Changed to 1882 - present; construction started then, still being used by LT army. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
• No comma after "Vilnius" (the use of commas throughout clearly needs an audit).
  • Hmm, we disagree, but if you feel strongly, will remove it. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
• Vague and a bit wordy: "During the course of the city's history"—why not give us a century range?
  • Added more detail. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
• Why is the growth of the city suddenly relevant, and stuck at the end of the para? Is it population or economic or what? Tony

(talk) 15:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

• • Added more detail - regional trading center, railway, canal, etc.; goes to general significance of the city. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • I asked another contributor to fix the style. M.K. (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 6 should note it's in pdf format. Also what makes this a reliable source?
• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.fortresses.eu/en/index.html
    • Official web site of Transnational Documentation and Inventorisation Centre Fortresess organization partially financed by by European Union (European Regional Development Fund), has departments in Germany and Lithuania, working together with Kaunas University of Technology, Vytautas Magnus University and other institutions. One of the sesults of INTERREG III Programme. Specifically cited article [1] is written by Vladimir Orlov, which book I also used in the text.
  • http://muziejai.mch.mii.lt/content.htm
    • Is the portal of Lithuanian museums, provides information about Lithuania's museums, their history, expositions, official information regarding Museums, etc. Site run by Lithuanian Museum Association, Lithuanian Art Museum etc.
  • http://www.bsrinterreg.net/programm/project.php?id=10465&start=0
    • An official web page of INTERREG III Programme.
  • http://www.conver.net/txt/workpackages/download/19032004_5_Kaunas%20fortress%20-%20protection%20of%20a%20European%20cultural%20heritage.pdf
    • INTERREG III B project.[2]
• http://www.lemaire.happyhost.org/armes/artillerie/1893.html deadlinks
• http://www.beststyle.lt/konkursas/Straipsniai.html deadlinks
• http://www.beststyle.lt/konkursas/Istorija.html deadlinks
• http://www.kamane.lt/lt/atgarsiai/architektura/architekatgarsis110 would not load, it timed out.
• Likewise http://www.kamane.lt/lt/atgarsiai/architektura/architekatgarsis110
  • I'm not seeing the last five. Novickas (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note that I was unable to check the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding dead links - I will investigate them. M.K. (talk) 21:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I removed dead links, last two works now. M.K. (talk) 21:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

• Object. Censorship results is lack of neutrality and incomplete coverage.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• Objection withdrawn, pending stability of this compromise.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• Censorship? Really? Learn a proper ethical way of conduct. M.K. (talk) 08:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Can we expand the table of forts/batteries with construction dates into one with more information and pictures, similar to the table found here? Can Image:Kauno tvirtove.Kaunas Fortress.jpg be updated with colors to make it more visual-friendly as Image:Map of Torun fortress.jpg was? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)