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NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:National Capital Region

Propose renaming Category:National Capital Region to Category:National Capital Region (Canada)

Propose renaming Category:People from the National Capital Region to Category:People from the National Capital Region (Canada)

Nominator's rationale: Rename. National Capital Region is ambiguous. Rename to match main article National Capital Region (Canada). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian-West Indians

Category:Canadian-West Indians - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete page lists immigrants to Canada, people who not (necessarily) 'Canadians' (as in citizens of Canada, as not all citizens become naturalised). Moreover, there already is Category:Caribbean Canadians, which correctly lists citizens of Canada of full Caribbean descent, as 'Caribbean' is a more common a term in Canada than 'West Indian' Mayumashu (talk) 03:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Western Province

Propose renaming Category:Western Province to Category:Western Province (Papua New Guinea)

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Western Province is ambiguous. Rename to match main article Western Province (Papua New Guinea). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as per nom Mayumashu (talk) 03:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Papua New Guineans by religion

Propose renaming Category:Papua New Guineans by religion to Category:Papua New Guinean people by religion

Nominator's rationale: Rename. For consistency: all subcategories of Category:People by nationality and religion use "Fooian people by religion". Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bougainville Province

Propose renaming Category:Bougainville Province to Category:Autonomous Region of Bougainville

Propose renaming Category:Bougainville to Category:Autonomous Region of Bougainville

Nominator's rationale: Merge both together into newly-named category. These are categorizing the same thing: an autonomous region in Papua New Guinea. Bougainville alone is ambiguous. Also, Bougainville is not a province of Papua New Guinea, it is an autonomous region, the only one in the country. (It is a provincial-level jurisdiction, however.) The main article is at Autonomous Region of Bougainville. Some subcategories have already adopted this wording, like Category:Presidents of the Autonomous Region of Bougainville. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as per nom. Mayumashu (talk) 03:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Capital District

Propose renaming Category:National Capital District to Category:National Capital District (Papua New Guinea)

Nominator's rationale: Rename. National Capital District is ambiguous and the category name should be disambiguated to match the main article National Capital District (Papua New Guinea). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as per nom. Mayumashu (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kazakh Nordic combined skiers

Propose renaming Category:Kazakh Nordic combined skiers to Category:Kazakhstani Nordic combined skiers

Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Kazakh" is the ethnicity; "Kazakhstani" is the nationality. This is for skiers from Kazakhstan, thus "Kazakhstani" is more appropriate. (The one individual in the category may not even be Kazakh—if I had to guess I would say he is of Russian ethnicity.) See precedents for this change. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as per nom. Mayumashu (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Holocaust survivors

Suggest merging Category:Holocaust survivors to Category:Nazi concentration camp survivors

Nominator's rationale: Merge. The "Holocaust survivors" category was just created; the target category has been around for a long time now. I prefer the target category, since it is appropriately both more specific and more general. Appropriately more specific: because any Jew who lived in Europe during the Nazi-era could technically call themself a "Holocaust survivor", but I think what is worth categorizing is people who survived being in a Nazi concentration camp, not just being a Jew in 1930s/1940s Europe who managed to survive World War II. Appropriately more general: because the target category can obviously apply to non-Jews who were in the camps, whereas the "Holocaust" usually is in reference only to Jewish victims. Directly on point is this 2006 CfD, where it was decided against renaming the target category to Category:Survivors of the Holocaust. (Before merging, should check that the few members of Holocaust survivors were actually in camps; I'm not sure that all of them were.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Appropriate wording needs to be crafted to describe the inclusion criteria. Again, in the usual zeal to delete a category that is a strong defining characteristic, we have a repulsive and sickening excuse for deletion that trivializes the experiences of those who apparently want to call themselves "Holocaust survivors" on a technicality but are somehow cheating because they weren't in an official Nazi concentration camp while they lived in day-to-day fear of being hunted down like dogs by the Nazis. List of Holocaust survivors describes its inclusion criteria as "...residents of the parts of Europe occupied by the Axis powers during World War II who survived until the end of the Holocaust (and the war). The majority of these people survived incarceration in the Nazi concentration camps, but that is not strictly necessary for the purposes of this list" nor should it be necessary for retention of this category and inclusion therein. Any individual who was at substantial risk of arrest, internment and likely death in a concentration camp -- be they Jews, gays, gypsies, communists, partisans, etc. -- should be categorized and should be included here. Unfortunately, this is not the first example of a CfD where this nominator has used despicably offensive rationalizations to demand deletion of categories. While I think this more likely comes from plain ignorance than anti-Semitism, there is no excuse for this disgusting trivialization of a genuine life-and-death struggle for those Holocaust survivors, one which cannot be any more meaningful as a means of categorizing individuals. Alansohn (talk) 04:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former pupils of Sullivan Upper School

Propose renaming Category:Former pupils of Sullivan Upper School to Category:Alumni of Sullivan Upper School

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Standard terminology for categories of former students. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Suggest merging''' [[:Category:Holocaust survivors]] to [[:Category:Nazi concentration camp survivors]]
 :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Merge'''. The "Holocaust survivors" category was just created; the target category has been around for a long time now. I prefer the target category, since it is appropriately both more specific and more general. Appropriately more specific: because any Jew who lived in Europe during the Nazi-era could technically call themself a "Holocaust survivor", but I think what is worth categorizing is people who survived being in a Nazi concentration camp, not just being a Jew in 1930s/1940s Europe who managed to survive World War II. Appropriately more general: because the target category can obviously apply to non-Jews who were in the camps, whereas the "Holocaust" usually is in reference only to Jewish victims. Directly on point is [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_24#Category:Nazi_concentration_camp_survivors_to_Category:Survivors_of_the_Holocaust|this 2006 CfD]], where it was decided against renaming the target category to [[:Category:Survivors of the Holocaust]]. (Before merging, should check that the few members of {{c|Holocaust survivors}} were actually in camps; I'm not sure that all of them were.) [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 00:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
+*'''Strong Keep''' Appropriate wording needs to be crafted to describe the inclusion criteria. Again, in the usual zeal to delete a category that is a strong defining characteristic, we have a repulsive and sickening excuse for deletion that trivializes the experiences of those who apparently want to call themselves "Holocaust survivors" on a technicality but are somehow cheating because they weren't in an official Nazi concentration camp while they lived in day-to-day fear of being hunted down like dogs by the Nazis. [[List of Holocaust survivors]] describes its inclusion criteria as "...residents of the parts of Europe occupied by the Axis powers during World War II who survived until the end of the Holocaust (and the war). The majority of these people survived incarceration in the Nazi concentration camps, but that is not strictly necessary for the purposes of this list" nor should it be necessary for retention of this category and inclusion therein. Any individual who was at substantial risk of arrest, internment and likely death in a concentration camp -- be they Jews, gays, gypsies, communists, partisans, etc. -- should be categorized and should be included here. Unfortunately, this is not the first example of a CfD where this nominator has used despicably offensive rationalizations to demand deletion of categories. While I think this more likely comes from plain ignorance than anti-Semitism, there is no excuse for this disgusting trivialization of a genuine life-and-death struggle for those Holocaust survivors, one which cannot be any more meaningful as a means of categorizing individuals. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 04:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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