User talk:TreasuryTag

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On behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Easter! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much... you too! ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 16:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi! [Friday's kiddies list]

Your name is mentioned here - just thought I'd let you know! Cheers, Majorly talk 02:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm - thanks for telling me. Fortunately I stopped caring about what Friday (one of the most persistently rude admins on Wikpedia) has to say long ago. But thanks for letting me know, anyway. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 07:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

IRC protection request granted

You logged onto #wikipedia at 2009-04-13T08:46:23Z and requested full protection on the Planet of the Dead page due to an edit war. Full protection has been applied. --  Denelson83  08:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. You seem to have protected "The Wrong Version" - one which was over 3RR by the user in question, and against talkpage consensus here. Could you consider undoing that? No worries if not. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 08:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't do that, otherwise I would be seen as abusing my admin powers. Please go to WP:AN/EW and ask another administrator to make the change. Thank you. --  Denelson83  08:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 08:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. And just remember what {{protected}} says: "Protection is not an endorsement of the current version." --  Denelson83  09:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I do realise that (just couldn't be bothered to link to m:The Wrong Version!)... thanks. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 09:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Ways of handling problems

I'm concerned about the way in which you handled the edit war on Planet of the Dead in two regards.

1. Page protection rendered the page uneditable to everyone, despite the fact that the problem was a single 3RR violating user. A warning to the user about the 3RR followed by a block for further violation would have removed the actual problem (one user) without rendering a page uneditable for others.
2. I am concerned about your decision to forum shop your request for a revert after page protection. Either the page was protected because of an edit war, in which case policy is against reverting to anyone's preferred version, or the issue was a single problem user, in which case blocks were preferable to protection. You were already told this above by Denelson83, and so I am disheartened to see you simply go somewhere else to make the same request. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

In response to your comments:

1. Denelson, a neutral third-party admin, considered it appropriate to protect the page; this is the main point. Secondly, waiting for an admin to get round to blocking the user for 3RR would have taken hours (see how long the report stayed on WP:AN3), and our position over 3RR was iffy and ill-defined.
2. I didn't forum shop. Denelson's reason for not performing the revert was due to him being the protecting admin, not due to the fact that the page was protected at all. The material in question was clearly original research, and thus should have been removed, and it seemed that Reedy (another neutral third-party admin) concurred.

Do you have a proposal as to how we proceed here, or were you just airing an issue? ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 14:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

In terms of this talk page, I was airing an issue - use of protection to handle disputes better handled through other means. The existence of a brief edit war is not reason for protection, and people need to be more responsible about asking for protection instead of filing ill-advised requests and then shifting the blame to whomever fulfills them. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

As for Planet of the Dead

As for the article, as I look further the issue is not so much that your position was ill-defined as that you also violated the 3RR. The easiest solution to the edit war thus seems to be to block everyone who violated the 3RR for 24 hours, which I am doing now. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)