Talk:Boeing 767

767-200LRF

Info on KC-767 entrant in the KC-X contest states that it is based on the 767-200lrf, which is in development. Yet there is no ifo in this article on that variant. Anyone have anything more on this model? - BillCJ 19:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Sounds more like the 777 freighter, which is combination of 777-200LR and -300ER. -Fnlayson 19:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Any chance this is the freighter that UPS just ordered? Akradecki 19:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
    • UPS ordered -300ERs [1] (this link also has info in -200LRF and KC-X). - BillCJ 23:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The KC-X press release says the tanker "will be an advanced derivative of the future 767-200 Long Range Freighter". They're using the tanker program to develop the variant, it seems. -Fnlayson 19:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess if you're going to continue producing a model you were going to discontinue, you might as well try to sell a civilian version of it too, and update both in the process. I'm surprised they're not calling it the 767-8LRF! - BillCJ 19:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• They'll offer a commerical version at least. Although it'll be shorter than the exiting 300F. -Fnlayson 20:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the KC-767 is competing against the much larger KC-30, why are they not offering a version of the larger -300? - BillCJ 23:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

• Good question. The KC-X is just asking for refueling and range capability to match the KC-135. -Fnlayson 23:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. Plus Boeing has to charge for actual costs, and I would think the -300 or -400 cost more than the -200. - BillCJ 23:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

3 cockpit crew

In the current version of this article, there's a picture of an Ansett 767 with the caption that the 767 is being scrapped even as new ones are built. Ansett 767 had a cockpit crew of 3, not 2. Most airlines probably don't want this kind of 767.

Looking for source. It's possible that they converted those planes to 2 men crew but I'm not sure Archtrain 17:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Unlike most Ansett 767s which were delivered new and operated with a flight engineer, Ship 184 (N807AN/VH-RMO/G-BNCW) was second-hand ex-Britannia Airways machine with a two-man cockpit. MilborneOne 19:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, Boeing designed the 767 for a crew of 2, but retrofitted most of the flight test 767s for 3 person crew until regulations were changed to allow a 2 person crew for a larger airliner. See "History Of The 767 Two-Crew Flight Deck" for 767 background. (In the 1960s the gross weight for the 2-crew DC-9 was limited to 80 Klb initially due to regulations.) -Fnlayson (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The 2/3 crew is covered in a book or two I have, I believe. Will try to fit something in on this.. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

There is space in the Boeing_767#Production_and_service section, first paragraph does mention the flight test 767s...the 3-person setup of those jets could be added there. SynergyStar (talk) 22:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Add 3 sentences there. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Article needs more info on competition from A330

There is currently very little in this article about the competition against the 767 by the Airbus A330. My understanding is that A330 competition has resulted in significant downward sales of 767 passenger aircraft, and was the main impetus for Boeing to start the 787 project. Anyone disagree? Shouldn't this be added to the article? Regards, Lester 23:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• I don't know the details of that and all. But any of that added needs to referenced. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
• It would have to be well sourced the Boeing 767 design is 25 years old and Boeing would be pushing sales of the 787 so it may not just be a 767 v 330 thing. MilborneOne (talk) 12:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
• Also, the intro of the 777, which touches the upper end of this market was a factor as well. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Seating (2+4+2)

"It is possible to squeeze an extra seat for a 2+4+2 configuration, as done by Skymark Airlines"

yeah it is. I flew with thomson last week from london to bulgaria and it was like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.160.17 (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep! Many charter airlines, especially in the UK, do this. I flew Thomson on a 767 last week and it's 2-4-2.82.31.219.109 (talk) 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

764 Pictures

This article has only one picture of the 767-400ER, and it's an interior pic. Anyone wanna include some exterior pics of the 764? --Pilotboi / talk / contribs 16:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I added a Continental image from Commons:Boeing 767. An in-flight image would be better though. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I'm sure someone will add an in-flight one eventually. --Pilotboi / talk / contribs 20:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the pictures is an interior shot, notable for its example of the Boeing Signature Interior. I modified the description to note this, since earlier in the article the BSI was mentioned but no example shown. Steuben (talk) 13:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Article improvements

The lead, development sections have been expanded, and the variants sections organized. Hopefully this article can be improved further! Regards SynergyStar (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The 200ER, 300ER and 300F subsections labels were removed because the sections were very short. But they are longer now and look alright. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear they look alright now, more details can be added to fill in these subsections. SynergyStar (talk) 22:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring and misleading edit summary by BillCJ

On 7 May 2009, SynergyStar added the following sentence to the lead of this article: "As of 2009, Delta Air Lines operates the largest 767 fleet of any airline." That sentence remained unchanged until 23 June 2009, when an IP editor expanded the sentence to read as follows: "American Airlines currently operates the largest 767-200 fleet of any airline. However, as of 2009, Delta Air Lines operates the largest 767 fleet, in general, of any airline." Under the misleading and disruptive edit summary of reverting the IP editor, BillCJ on 23 June 2009 deleted both sentences, in effect reverting both SynergyStar and the IP editor. On 24 June 2009, I restored SynergyStar's edit, only to be promptly reverted by BillCJ. When I again restored SynergyStar's edit, BillCJ again reverted me, which was his third reversion of this article in a 6-hour period. The warning I then placed on his discussion page can be found here, which he immediately deleted with the edit summary of, "Please stop being obnoxious". In context of his well-documented unconstructive behavior in the recent past, his actions are very troubling indeed. He is willing to edit war to exercise ownership of this article and ignore the wishes of three different editors in favor of his unilateral conception of how the lead of this article should read. Comments on what should be done next would be welcome. Thanks. ShondaLear (talk) 08:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Refer to the immediately preceding section on this discussion page, where SynergyStar discussed his 7 May 2009 edits and which appear to have been agreed to by Fnlayson. That makes at least 4 editors in favor of those edits versus only 1 opposed. ShondaLear (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)