Talk:Stay-at-home dad

external links

want to add dadstayshome.com in the external links, it's the largest and most active stay at home dads community. I added it the other day and failed to see wher eI should mention it here first, sorry. user:sao95 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sao95 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No response ... added it back. No reason why it was deleted. Had approval to add it the first time around. Ptmr (talk) 16:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

ParenTeam seems to have been deleted from the external link section. It is still relevant to this section. Could you please reinstate it. Thanks.Ptmr (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I would like my Web site, ParenTeam (www.ParenTeam.com) to be added as an external link on this page. ParenTeam is a resource for working wives of stay-at-home dads. It contains advice, inspiration and education to help them get the most out of their SAHD family. It gives "behind the scenes" tours of a typical SAHD's daily routine, insight to help them better appreciate their stay-at-home husband, etc. The basic premise is that both working mom and stay-at-home dad must learn to function cohesively as a "parent team" to be successful in a SAHD household. It's relevant for anyone considering SAHD-ness or who is already in a SAHD family. Ptmr 20:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I have looked at the website and I have no objection to it being added as an external link. It contains little or no advertising (I couldn't find any) and does seem to add considerably to the info base for this article and thus it meets the requirements of WP:EL. Feel free to add it. Gillyweed 23:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for including ParenTeam in the listing. I changed "partners" to "wives" because ParenTeam is really focused on working moms/wives of stay-at-home dads (as it says in its site tagline). Ptmr 21:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Please put your messages under the one being responded to. Are you saying that ParenTeam is not for unmarried couples? Gillyweed 23:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It's geared toward working wives of stay-at-home dads, although unmarrieds should likely find value from it as well. There may be other pages targeted specifically for unmarrieds, and they probably ought to be listed here, too. 75.36.199.39 04:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess I can't understand the difference between 'wife' and 'partner'? Surely a Stay-at-Home-Dad is a SAHD regardless of whether his partner is his wife or defacto? Gillyweed 04:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Consistency

There needs to be a consistent use of either "stay at home dad", "Stay at home dad", "Stay at Home Dad" or what not. Varying from line to line is very informal. --70.30.59.2 00:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention the complete lack of references 137.138.46.155 15:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Then please use the {{fact}} tag. --Zslevi 10:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Heteronormative

Heteronormative? Who the heck thinks this is about sexual orientation? The SAHDs that I regularly read tend to be aware of issues that all "at-home parents" face. Let's just call these folks at-home parents, shall we? That'll avoid any concern of who's gay and who is not when it comes to having kids. If we want an article about "gay parenting" then let's create one, shall we, and not try to turn this into that. (added: Oh look! We do have one at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_parenting -- go edit there if you want to address what makes gay at-home fathers different than nongay ones.) -- kctipton 19:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Who allowed the heteronormative label to be appended to this article? At the very least, please place irrelevant and misguided labels like that one to appear at the end of the article, not sitting in all their fatuousness at the head of an otherwise balanced article.

I'm thinking the person probably found it to be heteronormative because the tone of the article suggests that all families have a female parent and a male parent. This was the first thing that jumped out at me about the article. I'm going to edit it to reflect a more inclusive view though instead of putting the tag back on. Triangular 21:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Copyediting needed

I would like to edit for grammatical correctness the sentence that currently reads, "In recent years, stay-at-home dads are becoming more common and accepted." The grammatical trouble I see is that the tenses of "are becoming" and "In recent years" don't match. I haven't been bold and made the edit because I recognize this is a sensitive topic, and some might see me suggested change as subtly introducing a subjective POV regarding the subject. My suggestion is, "In recent years, stay-at-home dads have become more common and accepted." I regret this text might seem to imply these changes are not continuing. Does their continuance deserve explicit mention, i.e. in a follow-on sentence? (N.B. there are plenty of other problems with this paragraph -- even with this same sentence. I'm willing to work on improving it slowly and incrementally.) Sdsds 05:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This whole thing needs grammatical work. In addition to the inconsistent labeling, it is inconsistent in tense and number. This needs a liberal amount of editing.Bekhardt 21:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

external links

Slowlame.com was added to external links 1/13/2007, and I reverted. If you think you can justify the inclusion of slowlame, talk here before re-adding it. 71.112.109.243 20:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC) BR

Can I add a new site? www.SAHDsurvival.com is a site for men who are, or are thinking about becoming, stay-at-home dads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SAHDsurvival (talk • contribs) 22:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

individuals´reports

An interesting link about a personal yet perhaps typical experience of a stay-at-home-dad:

• Male Bonding (Or How Dad Lost 30 Pounds), Aron Word, New York Times, Oct. 18 2008

Could such a report be worth adding to external links? --87.174.6.24 (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Statistics wrong...

Hey guys. Theres gotta be something wrong with the statistics on this article. I'm not even sure they should be there, but since the article discusses the low number of stay at home dads extensively I'm loathe to remove it. But it says there are 2.9 million children being raised by stay at home dads, and 159,000 stay at home dads. That works out to 18.23 kids per father. Also, figures need to be cited. EagleFalconn (talk) 18:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Denastroje (talk) 22:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)The statistics given (I've done some research on them) are only statistics from the United States, and only account for father's who are currently married. According to the US Census Bureau, that is the only statistical information provided for stay-at-home dads.

Educational Project Editing

Here is a general outline of what we plan to accomplish, as a group, concerning the topic "Stay-at-home dads"

The term stay-at home Dad

This will be a short section explaining the common abbreviation (SAHD) so that we may use it later in the article, and the term "househusband" which was the common title given to this role prior to Stay-at-Home Dad became the standard.

History of Women's Role in the Family

This section will delve into the gender roles and stereotypes that have been present within American society throughout history. We will discuss why these stereotypes originated, in regards to typical women's roles in society and the family.

The Evolution of Family Roles

This section will look deeper into the industrial revolution and the changed that occurred within the family structure as a result of it. Father's role in the family change and was becoming increasingly less influential (do to their long hours away from home). We will also look at what the"ideal family" was during this time.

The Rise of the Stay-at-Home Dad

This section will begin with the late 1970's where American culture begins to see a shift in parental roles. The "breadwinning" males were getting laid off and economic times were rough. This plays into the societal changes due to the Women's Movement's. These historical happenings had an effect on the family and increased the father's role within the family unit. More women were entering the work force, while males were loosing their jobs thus forcing them (at times) to stay at home and take over the mother's role, while she went to work and earned money for the family. This began to alter the typical gender roles within a family.

Why Dad and Not Mom?

This section will discuss common reasons a family decides to have the father stay home with the children while the mother goes out and earns a living for the family. I have already added some of this in, however it will be more defined in structure.

Stereotypes/Costs

This section will talk about some of the false assumptions centered on this group of people, being that stereotypes are a major hurdle for this men to overcome. It will also focus on what men have to give up in order to assume this role in the family. We will also look at some of the common concerns of these men (ie: loosing professional ability or attraction).

Benefits

This section will cover the benefits of having a stay-at-home dad. There are a lot of studies which suggest the importance of the paternal bond (at times over the maternal) and illustrate how beneficial this type of structure can be to both the children as well as the family. We will also touch upon the typical male parenting style and the benefits that accompany it.

Resources for Stay-at-Home Dads

I have already added some books to the "book" section, but this will be more along the lines of websites as well as publications one could subscribe to. This will give stay-at-home dads a place to look for help, ideas, and support.

General Editing/Distribution of Tasks

Considering this article had already been started prior to our involvement, there is a lot of "clean up" necessary. Some of it has already been started, but there is still more work to do in that area. This is a general outline of what we will focus on, we may add to it or subtract from it as more information becomes available. There are also some books/TV Shows/Movies that have been brought to my attention by way of research that will be added as well. The four of us in the group will continue to add information to all of the sections as it becomes available. As of yet, we have not delegated specific tasks within the article, but if we decide to do so we will let you know. As of now, we are all just working together to find information and add it to the article. Denastroje (talk) 20:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Denastroje

That's a good plan of work. See if the content that was here is salvageable, you are more than welcome to incorporate it into your expanded version. Some observations based on the state the article is as of this moment: When adding inline citations, remember that each sentence should have a citation (since people may insert other sentences in a paragraph; hence you want to make sure that it is clear which source is used to back up what sentence). References should be described - http addresses are not very informative (see WP:CITE). Try to keep a good density of internal hyperlinks per Wikipedia:Linking. You'll also want to format your headings per this manual of style (avoide excessive capitalization and a/an/the). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)