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If anyone tries to put a Disputed or NPOV tag on the ID page, please feel free to give them the following response from me:

Don't be dense. The content is not disputed - the subject is, and that is covered extremely well in this article. This is one of the least POV articles on WP. KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Pick whichever second sentence applies. If Wade says the content is disputed, tell him he is disputing minor details, which are well documented, and repeat the "Don't be dense." thanks!!! KillerChihuahua^?!? 12:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm back, looks like I'll have to read for a couple of hours to catch up - did you use this at all? KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Good distinctions

1. Thanks for this correction. I had construed the extant text as asserting that Americans in general widely accept evolution - whereas it's now clear that the text refers to wide acceptance within the scientific community.

Polls show that only 5% of scientists in general (i.e., all fields - not just biology) challenge the "unplanned, unguided" theory of evolution. And less than 0.2% of biologists, of course.

I was thinking about claims sometimes made that most Americans "support evolution" vs. the contrary claim that 85% of Americans "reject unguided evolution"; i.e., believe (1) that "evolution" (in some sense) occurred but that it was guided by God or (2) that no evolution of any kind has occurred (mainstream Creationism).

Note that both of these are religious - not scientific - views. They are religious views of evolution. Uncle Ed 15:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

2. "Concept" is good. Uncle Ed 17:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

How many forks?

You were wondering.. I took a casual glance through a couple weeks of time and have found 9 "spin-off articles" so far, all being overwhelmingly labelled "POV forks" on Afd. I'm pretty sure I recall some from weeks past, too, although I haven't put them on my list yet. I've brought this up to Ed on his talk page now a few times and tried to get him to stop, but he doesn't seem responsive to reasoning. Friday (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Jayjg and Marsden

Needless to say I appreciate your principled stand. I also appreciate your reverting Marsden's revert of my edit. But just so you know, to follow through I did restore Marsden's comment on the talk page. I am deeply upset by some of the things he wrote, but it was not my intention to censor him. In any event, thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 05:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

"Deeply upset?" By what, SLR? I don't think anything I wrote was even interesting enough to be upset over. Marsden 14:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I noticed this too, but I feel that it's up to Marsden to readd his comments to TALK, since he removed them from there himself. His so-called "question" was properly removed from the project page as disruption. That he chose to remove it from TALK is his problem, SLR, not yours. Tomer^talk 07:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Could you please tell me why on earth you think that the question I reversed constitutes a "personal attack"? I must confess I thought Marsden was, well, a bit <deleted...> going on and on and on about whether Jay was payed or not for his WP-work; but now I honestly don´t know. The way this question is beeing censored (and Jay not answering.....) makes me really wonder if perhaps it´s actually me who has been naive? And so many people have seen the question by now: I´m not the only person waiting for Jay´s answer. (And if he doesn´t answer: well, people will ofcourse draw their own conclusions.) Regards, Huldra 08:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

PS, I note a great difference between "personal attack" and "personal attack" on WP: in this case: [1] (which IMO is far worse than any personal attack Marsed got blocked for) the user got a "friendly reminder regarding civility". Sigh.

Well, I'd start here: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2005/Candidate_statements/Jayjg but you probably want to go to sleep at some point tonight... What constiutes a legitimate personal attack is pretty well defined at WP:NPA though I will admit that there are looser definitions that convention recognizes beyond policy, none of which were relied upon in Marsden's case. He was sufficiently aware and warned that a large segment of the community did not approve of his actions. FeloniousMonk 09:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Huldra, if you're sincerely asking about this, and not just trolling, I have to assume you're unfamiliar with Marsden's activities. Please review this article, and, unless you're prejudiced regarding Marsden's activities, you'll recognize that the questions you're characterizing as legitimate are, in fact, a directed attack against the candidate rather than a legitimate question. The question is meant to instill doubt in potential voters' minds, rather than to legitimately illicit a response. Jayjg's refusal to respond is not evidence of "guilt" vis-à-vis the purported "good-faith" question, but rather evidence of his abiding by the advice he so often gives to people being attacked by trolls: namely, that the best response to a troll is to not feed them. When it comes to internet trolls, the conventional wisdom is that it is pointless to respond to them, especially when you're the party being attacked. Jayjg has ample grounds to regard Marsden's comments and questions regarding/questioning him as indubitably trollish, and so, he'd be verging on hypocritical to respond to the accusations themselves. That said, there is pretty much no merit whatsoever in the question Marsden insists on asking. Not only are the statistics inaccurate (intentionally), but the question is worded as an insinuation of guilt of a violation of a non-existent policy. That you regard Marsden's persistence in this thinly-veiled personal attack (insinuating some kind of Zionist-cabal running WP), does not speak well for you either, Huldra, not, I'm sure, that you're particularly bothered by that fact, but there it is... Tomer^talk 09:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Uh, Tomer, we could review the underlying facts for my statistics, and see exactly how accurate they are. And "insinuating some kind of Zionist-cabal running WP?" I don't even think that's true (the ArbCom's recent homage to facts not in evidence notwithstanding). Just a group of dedicate editors coordinating their POV-pushing. Marsden 14:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Huldra, I think Tomer and FeloniousMonk have provided you with a thorough and more than edequate explanation of why Marsden's comment is a personal attack. Most lon-time editors here have no question about this, so I ask a favor of you: if you think the Wikipedia:No personal attacks does not cover the points Tomer and Felonious Monk have made, explain to us in what way that policy page is unclear, so we canmake it clearer. As a matter of fact, I would ask Felonious Monk and Tomer to look at the NPA page and see if, based on this specific example, there are elements of that page that could be clarified or elaborated. That said, Huldra, if you are stillnot convinced contact me and I will give you more reasons. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm ... "if you think the Wikipedia:No personal attacks does not cover the points Tomer and Felonious Monk have made, explain to us in what way that policy page is unclear, so we canmake it clearer." In other words, if you think no rule has been broken, no worries: we'll make another rule. Are you related to the Slrubinstein who used the word "principled" in a comment above? Marsden 14:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yay! I passed! And you helped! :-D

Hey FeloniousMonk! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomer^talk

Benapgar

I don't know enough about Benapgar's editing history or temperment to really know, but — this is really just from looking at his talk page after his block — I think for now it would be better to let him say what he wants on his talk page (within limits, of course - but continuing to call people liars and trolls is probably not doing anybody but himself more harm). I don't think increasing his block does anything but escalate the situation right now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Ryan Delaney extended it to a week in any case. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Intelligent design movement

Hi David. Seeing your edits at Intelligent design movement and remembering our debate on the issue at Talk:Intelligent design, I think we settled on intelligent design not being capitalized, as it's not a proper noun. That's why I standardized to the lowercase usage in the Intelligent design movement article. Agree? FeloniousMonk 19:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello. I'm not sure if a consensus to use lowercase was (or has) been reached, but I don't mind. Looking at the past hour's history, I apologise in case my most recent edit appears to revert yours; I was called away, returned much later than expected and forget to check if anyone else had contributed in the meantime before submitting my revision. Oops.

Thank you for mentioning your approval of my other contributions; I hope a few extra wikilinks and the like might make the article more straightforward for less US-savvy (pardon, U.S.-savvy!) readers. At some point I intend to return to review the other sections in similar vein – and also the main Intelligent design article.

Thanks and best wishes, David Kernow 20:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

pre-stub sections

You might want to consider commenting them out, so that someone who chose to edit the page might see them, but not readers. This way, if someone chooses to re-add them without looking at edit summaries or the talk page, they'll be able to see that they are there, just awaiting content (if someone chooses to revert the page, then they'd see your edit summary). Just thinking this might be a way to head off potential conflict. Guettarda 17:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Marshill

why did you remove my throrough list of objections from the ID talk page? Who is going to read my objections when there is no link to it? Why do you want to silence me? Marshill 20:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that User:Markepp, who just voted in the straw poll on User:Marshill's ID subpage might be a Wikipedia:Sock puppet. Since you are an admin frequenting the ID pages, I was wondering if you would look into it for me? I have no knowledge about this sort of thing, but some clues are there (I think). -Parallel or Together? 07:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd be very disappointed if that turns out to be the case. I'll look into it. FeloniousMonk 07:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Tom Haws and the ID thingie

FM, somebody invited me to have a look at the ID poll underway. How scary! It's rather tough to walk up to a something like that and make sense of it all, though as you saw I took a look at the article itself a while back and tried to make a sensible comment on it all. The article fails to be a high-quality explanation of what ID is all about, and I personally think it fails from the first sentence to capture the essence of ID, at least from what I know. But I don't know that it violates NPOV. What's a guy to do? Tom Haws 19:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Tom, good to hear from you. I think your frustration accurately reflects the issue here; since ID is such a contentious topic, the article relies almost exclusively on attributions to significant statements rather than descriptive text.

So, what's a guy to do? I'd say make your case for specific changes one at a time on the talk page.Locate and provide support for your changes with credible and significant attributions per the guidelines. Knowing you, I know that you can do a good job of presenting the ID perspective in a factual, dispassionate way. Stick around. FeloniousMonk 19:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Archive No overhead needed.

Thanks, I was using the move function and was working it out. :) --DocJohnny 20:06, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Reading the "Portraying intelligent design as science" section, I see it lacks the ID viewpoint on specific points as to why ID qualifies as science. Here are the points. We need one or two sentences on each, with a link to a cite:

1. intelligent design is externally consistent
2. intelligent design is parsimonious
3. intelligent design is falsifiable
4. intelligent design is empirically testable
5. intelligent design is correctable, dynamic, tentative or progressive

Who wants to write these and has citable support with links handy? FeloniousMonk 22:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Ouch! Lol. As Mister Burns would say, "Exssssscellent!" --DocJohnny 01:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

"claims"

Thanks for converting the "claims" in the ID article. I was going to do that myself, and just saw that you already did it. IMO, it makes the article sound much better. Kindly, David Bergan 05:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous Vandalism Notice

Please look into anonymous vandalism by IP 134.117.196.101: [2] Larvatus 21:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Bill Gothard

First, I noticed you know how to archive your talk page. It's odd that you would write on CDThieme's talk page that he should just blank it whenever he wants, ignoring and deleting other people's messages.

How can you say that I'm bowdlerizing Bill Gothard? I haven't deleted the information. All I did was scale it back. Everything can be summed up quite nicely and with nPOV in mind by the way I wrote it. --Jason Gastrich 07:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Heya

I've done another change to Intelligent design, and moved general criticism to be under ID debate. What do you think? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... possibly. Right now I'm just looking at stuff that should go together. Right now the structure seems to me to be all over the place... - Ta bu shi da yu 02:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ya. I've just been reverted. Any chance of assistance here? Just a comment on the talk page would be OK. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

footnotes

Thanks for cleaning up after me when I moved things around. I remembered to fix the notes the first time I messed with them, but not the second. I'll try to do better.

Thanks for all your hard work, Dave (talk) 23:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes way too much time for my fall schedule. I may stay depending on how heavy my workload is next semester. Dave (talk) 23:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I just wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas, all the best for the holidays. It's been fun working with you thelast couple of months, and I look forward to facing new trolls in the New Year. Guettarda 14:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediator response: Faith and rationality

I have to admit that I endorse Sarek's view. There is nothing objectionable in there. Like other user said it seems a pretty balanced statement of the subject.

Don't put the neutrality dispute tag on the page, you may have your discussion about the things that are POV also on talk page. Bonaparte talk 15:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

My god you stopped the maddness

This is my sockpuppet, my real name is travb. The reverts and vandlism got so bad I decided to log off and use an anon, otherwise I could not make a plea for help.

Here is a list of what petral did, toward the end he was deleting everything I wrote, including stuff on my own talk page.Travb

Here is the list, it gets worse as you go down:

• Considering that Petral joined wikipedia today [3], I would be interested to know how he/she found this article and mastered the AfD process?
• What user name did Petral use to learn how to master the AfD process? And is he using this user name to vote on this page's deletion?
• Why did Petral delete my notice on the deletion page that the article name had moved?[4]
• Why did Petral, instead of accusing me of hiding the page after he deleted this notice, why didn't he simply move the page himself?
• Why does Petral keep reformating my statements on the deletion page when I asked him to stop? (including on my own talk page?)[5] [6][7]
• Why does Petral keep deleting my statments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret plan [8] and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Promises of troop withdraw by American presidents throughout history?[9][10]
• Why does Petral delete statements from my own talk page?[11]
• Why does Petral delete my statements from Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/RU Moderate [12]
• Why does Petral accuse me of doing something that I never did, saying that I tried to move the article to Category:NPOV disputes?[13][14]

Summary deletion alert

Please take a look at a summary deletion executed by your fellow admin: [15]. It appears to run contrary to stated Wikipedia policy. Larvatus 17:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Notice of Abuse of Deletion Protocol

Thank you for attending to the previous notice of irregularity. Please take a look at the extraordilarily prolonged poll on deleting the articles for Larvatus. While the results registered within the standard five day period tally up in favor of keeping this article, a more recent flurry of votes for deleting it appears to have been coordinated with a personal vendetta conducted by your fellow admin, singling out nearly all aspects of my editorial contribution to, and commemoration by, Wikipedia. Larvatus 22:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

• As a followup on the above, please advise on the procedure for contesting apparent abuse of Wikipedia protocol involved in the deletion of Larvatus article. Larvatus 08:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

• • To add more information, herewith a tabulation of time/date stamps on the votes presently accounted for:

• • Keep
  • 1. FeloniousMonk 08:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 2. Jim62sch 10:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 3. Autarch 17 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 4. Guettarda 16:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 5. JJay 18:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 6. Cberlet 23:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 7. Plumbago (with qualifiers) 18:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 8. RoyBoy 04:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete
  • 1. Jeffrey O. Gustafson 08:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 2. jni 09:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 3. Reyk 09:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 4. Proto 15:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 5. Twp Tim Pierce 19:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 6. rodii 22:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 7. Dschor (userfy) 22:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 8. Eusebeus 10:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 9. Daycd (David D.) 19 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 10. Karmafist 07:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 11. Locke Cole 10:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 12. Pierremenard (not signed in) 10:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 13. Squibix 14:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 14. Agnte 21:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 15. Just zis Guy, you know? 22:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 16. Gamaliel 02:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 17. Zoe 03:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Please note that all but the first nine "Delete" votes were logged in outside of the five day discussion period mandated by the Wikipedia protocol. Whereas all eight votes counted as "Keep" fit within this period. Accordingly, the existing tabulation falls short of establishing the Wikipedia-mandated 2:1 consensus in favor of deletion. Larvatus 20:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

• • • As another data point, the vote tally arbitrarily disregarded a timely "Keep" vote properly logged in by user Tristes tigres at 22:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC). Since the user in question is a Wikipedian in good standing, the correct vote tally should count 9 Keeps against 9 Deletes. Larvatus 15:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

• Five days is a minimum not a cutoff. AfD debates have gone on for much longer when still active. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 23:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Your accusations

There is nothing abusive about making a (disputable) call in discounting obvious and blatant meatpuppets or filing a good-faith RFC or making good-faith AFD nominations (all three nominations, I note, are being supported by a clear consensus.) If you have an issue with my conduct, I invite you to follow procedures and open an RFC. FCYTravis 03:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Opening an RFC would be something for User:Larvatus to do in this case, being the sole target of your recent actions for a number of days now. Were Larvatus to feel bullied enough by your multiple dubious AFDs and RFC against him and decide to invite community comment on your activities as they relate to him, I'd certainly voice my concerns there. FeloniousMonk 03:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

You have absolutely no standing to arbitrarily delist the valid and good-faith AFDs I opened on Erin Zhu, Scott Sandell and Subrah Iyar. That is a clear abuse of the deletion process and you will have an RFC filed against you if you do so. FCYTravis 03:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't arbitrary. I not only have a right, but a responsibility to delist AFDs that I feel are relisted in bad faith soley to harass a single editor. Each of those articles is a product of User:Larvatus, who has expressed concern to me that you have singled him out and are bullying him by abusing Wikipedia processes like AFD and RFC. Looking over your recent history, I have to agree. I suggest you lay off AFDing Larvatus-related articles until this is settled. You'll find I don't respond well to threats, particularly ones coming from someone accused of bullying others. FeloniousMonk 03:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Accused of bullying by... you, and a user who I believe to be pushing a POV. I hardly consider those accusation founded in any sort of facts. You have yet to express any motive for this alleged "bullying" - Why would I care, except that I believe his insertions are damaging the encyclopedia? Your suggestions of "abuse" are ludicrous. It is hardly an abuse of Wikipedia processes to open an RFC on an issue that deserves notice, and if necessary I will file an RFAr on the issue to get a final determination. That is the very purpose of those processes, and it is out of order for you to suggest that engaging in the proper Wikipedia dispute resolution processes is in any way abusive. FCYTravis 03:53, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Larvatus' concerns seem to be justified by your history of AFD'ing each of his articles. If are not abusing process to harass that particular editor then you have nothing to worry about. But it, on the other hand, you are overly focusing on Larvatus and using process to exclude his participation at the project and to remove content you personally find distasteful, then that will become more apparent moving forward. Either way it will all come out in the end. FeloniousMonk 05:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

His articles were AfDed after I began looking into what I believe is a campaign of POV-pushing, and are part of my response to that campaign. All three are currently receiving a consensus to delete as unencyclopedic. You've yet to explain why I would possibly find anything "personally distasteful," or, if I wanted to "exclude his participation from the project," why I haven't so much as looked at his contributions to philosophy, etc. related articles. I'm sure he has the ability to contribute usefully on many subjects but I am strongly questioning his ability to objectively consider his own involvement in this apparent legal case and its treatment on Wikipedia. FCYTravis 05:56, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I see a pattern in the participation on those AFDs and your RFC. If true, that goes straight to the basis of the claim of harassment by you that was made. This situation bears watching. FeloniousMonk 06:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

A pattern of... what, finding, reverting and nominating unencyclopedic material for deletion? That's not harassment, that's good editing. Harassment would be following him around, reverting every single thing he's doing, attacking him on his talk page, blocking him, etc. I have done none of that. All I have done is work within channels to solve what I see as a problem. He has some good contributions (Mathematician manqué, for one), and unfortunately ones that I (and others) think are not so good. FCYTravis 06:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Harassment comprises a broad spectrum of activities, some more subtle than others. Harassment can and does often take the form of abuse of process and vexatious litigation. I genuinely hope that is not the case here. FeloniousMonk 06:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Seems to me that you're failing to assume good faith, in that you've yet to come up with a single plausible reason that I would be interested in spending hours upon hours to unjustly harass this person. You could assume that I'm just here to piss someone off - an assumption not supported by anything I've ever done on Wikipedia... or you could assume that I'm here to correct what I see - rightly or wrongly - as an issue with a user's ability to objectively edit articles on persons he has been involved in legal action and romantic difficulties with. Up to you to decide. FCYTravis 06:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Kindly apply your reasoning at home as regards assuming good faith. Assuming that you are not paid to assume the contrary. As you say, up to us to decide. Larvatus 06:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

I assumed good faith until I discovered your personal involvement in the matter. "Paid to assume the contrary?" Now *I'm* part of some vast WebEx conspiracy? Oh, that's priceless. Pray tell, what evidence do you have to support your allegation? FCYTravis 06:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

How long did it take you to discover personal involvement that I openly declared and advertised from the start? By what reasoning did you connect personal involvement with bad faith? Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science? No, I am not attempting to tell you your duties. "But I'm having a lot of fun trying to guess what they are." Larvatus 07:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Yes, keep guessing what my "duties" are, given that my biography and employment information is available on my user page. FCYTravis 07:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I note your failure to reference sworn testimony and other verifiable evidence concerning your biography and employment relations. Larvatus 07:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

My biography and employment relations are not the subject of a Wikipedia article, so you'll just have to take my word for it. Should I (God forbid) ever become encyclopedically notable, there are plenty of published references available. A Grand-Am Media Guide would be a good place to start if you were so inclined. FCYTravis 07:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Does that primary source verify all employment relationships that you do not have? Larvatus 08:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Questions

I have some questions relating to the Larvatus RfC, you may be able to answer them. See Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Larvatus#Cross-claim. --bainer (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. Please see my response.Larvatus 06:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Kitzmiller v. Dover

It's taking me a while to get fully into Kitzmiller v. Dover, but the more I read the more it looks like a complete vindication of all the work you've put into the intelligent design articles. Thanks, and enjoy the festivities. ....dave souza 10:50, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Award

FeloniousMonk 06:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC) We award a Barnstar and the Barnstar of diligence to FeloniousMonk for his great work on Intelligent design related articles. We recognise his seemingly inexhaustive efforts[1] in keeping the articles free from vandalism[2][3] and overzealousness[4] and applaud his efforts to provide detailed sources.[5] As anything worth doing can be difficult, FeloniousMonk if you need further help you can count on us to assist you. – RoyBoy, KillerChihuahua, Parallel or Together?, Ec5618, dave souza, Dunc, Bill Jefferys, Guettarda, Jim62sch, WAS 4.250, Plumbago, Samsara References: ^ Irreducible and Specific Complexity (ISC) ^ Scientific peer review ^ Intelligent Design in summary ^ Argument from ignorance ^ Notes and references Category: Overdue Barnstars

Users who endorse this award

Users who endorse this award (sign with # ~~~~):

1. User:A ghost 14:21, 27 December 2005

Request for arbitration

I have filed a Request for arbitration in the matter of the Min Zhu allegations, to determine a final outcome in this dispute, as I believe the edit-warring has gone on long enough. I bear no ill will, I simply believe this is the only way to come to a conclusion either way. FCYTravis 05:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice one

Nice barnstar, and well-deserved. ;-D Congratulations. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Artwork

The artwork, which is indeed outstanding, was done by dave souza. As one would expect from a WP effort, the concept was a collaborative effort. KillerChihuahua^?!? 10:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

<blush> Click on the image and all is revealed! Ideas from all, special thanks to KC for suggesting the monk and mop concept. ..dave souza 17:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if we could get Dave to do a Scots version of the award?  :) Jim62sch 12:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats

A well deserved award that I was honored to participate in the bestowment of. FM, you've been a great help to me just by your example of calm, cool-headed behaviour when confronted with countless slings and arrows of outrageouness! Happy Holidays, and I hope the coming year finds all of us collaborating on other worthwhile projects. Take care! Jim62sch 11:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Naturalism

Just to draw your attention to developments at naturalism (philosophy) where Daelin is making a worthy attempt to clarify usage of materialism in reference to science, and has written a draft which could help, but which may run the danger of becoming a POV fork. ...dave souza 19:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediation

Please see Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 12 2005 Second Law of Thermodynamics. KillerChihuahua^?!? 22:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediator response

The edits on Creationism should be put in other places. Mainly this is on physics topics and there are a lot of other possibilities to create new articles on Creationism and relationship with/or/and second law of thermodynamics. I am waiting your response.

• I suggest you create new articles for Creationism and relationship with/or/and second law of thermodynamics and let the article of second law of thermodynamics free of ambiguous links. -- Bonaparte talk 13:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration accepted

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WebEx and Min Zhu/Workshop. Fred Bauder 01:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Marsden indef. block

Hi FeloniousMonk, Wikipedia's blocking policy states that permanent blocks for troublesome users should have community support. As you can see by the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Marsden, there isn't complete support for a permanent block. Therefore, I suggest you file an request for arbitration about this issue. I've undone your permanent block and changed it to 16 January, 2005. Cheers, Talrias (t | e | c) 03:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)