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1975–76 USSR Red Army ice hockey tour of North America to Super Series '76 or Super Series 1976

Howdy ya'll. Attempts to move the page-in-question, have proven impossible. Would somebody move the article for us? GoodDay (talk) 15:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

It's been moved back to the original name so a discussion can take place. -DJSasso (talk) 16:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Could we get some more eyes on this discussion as its currently gone no where. It should be one of the two proposed new names, however there is disagreement over which one. -DJSasso (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Every NHL player with an article?

Ok, it's not totally the case. There has to be several players that don't have articles because theirs is a common name. But, as much as possible, every player who has played at least two games in the NHL on the List of NHL players by name lists has at least a very basic stub article. You will still see some red links there because either a re-direct hasn't been created or someone decided to add their own name to the list. If someone wants to go through all the names and find players still without articles, that would be great! Thanks! Patken4 (talk) 02:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Category: Lester Pearson Award winners

Should this be moved to Lester B. Pearson Award winners to match the article? RandySavageFTW (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, as that's the actual name of the award. GoodDay (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Another Rfc at Naming conventions (people)

There is another Rfc that has been opened at the Naming Conventions page which concerns how this project and some others name articles. Seems to be same issue as last time. -DJSasso (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

IIHF U20 Relegation Round Teams

Hi, It's too early to place Austria and Czech Republic as the 4th and 5th place finishers yet. Mathematically (although perhaps improbably) one of them could still win their next two games and finish with 6 pts.

Psbutler (talk) 05:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Psbutler.

Template:Ihj and Template:Ihj-rt

I created the Junior templates after noticing that some countries were not being directed to the junior pages for their respective countries. What I did was copy the Template:Ih and Template:Ih-rt and added in junior to the link. It works for Russia and Canada, but for some reason does not work with Sweden or the United States. Can anyone take a look and see what the problem is? Once this is fixed I'd like to edit all World Juniors pages to reflect this. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 01:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Also it appears Turkey has this problem. However, I don't believe they have a corresponding page for their juniors. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

For teams that don't have pages you might want to create a redirect to their overall national team page for now. I will see if I can see why Sweden isn't working. -DJSasso (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be linking to the United States junior team either. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 20:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

 Fixed This is all working now. However, there are still some potential problems. Currently, most team articles are named as "Nation men's national ice hockey team" but some are still "Nation national ice hockey team". Template:ih et. al. will automatically produce article links of the former style, and redirects are in place for the latter style. For example, {{ih|URS}} renders Soviet Union, and Soviet Union men's national ice hockey team is a redirect to Soviet Union national ice hockey team. Similarly, {{ihj|URS}} renders Soviet Union and Soviet Union men's national junior ice hockey team is also a redirect to Soviet Union national ice hockey team. But the flag template system can accomodate "link overrides" so that the redirects are not needed. {{ih}} could render a direct link to Soviet Union national ice hockey team, but that would also be the case for {{ihj}}. I think it is desirable to someday create a distinct article for the Soviet junior team (and also the Czechoslovakia team) and when that happens, these articles would have to be renamed. Either both would have to have "men's" in the title, or neither. (e.g. Soviet Union national junior ice hockey team would be linked from {{ihj}} if we also want to keep the main article at its current location). — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

List of captains of the Washington Capitals

Perhaps we should have that article deleted. We've already got a captains list at Washington Capitals & as for the alternate captains, those are difficult to confirm. PS: There's no other article like this, for the other 29 clubs. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Was bold and redirected to the section on the capitals page. -DJSasso (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Height and Weight

Recently IP socks attributed to User:Twister18, as well as a completely different user User:Something12356789101 have begun changing player heights and weights to coincide with mostly unofficial websites like Hockeydb.com and Hockeyfights.com. As it's getting disruptive, I'm looking for ways to reach a consensus. I've searched through the archives and noticed that this issue (with this particular user - User:68.39.163.15) was brought up back in 2006 [1] without a confirmation on exactly what the source for these numbers should be. Has there been a consensus on this? If not I'd like to propose that we choose a source and apply it site wide so that all players heights and weights come from the same source - wether it be NHL.com or NHLPA.com, everyone should be the same, and this will stop the edit wars that are going on the Derek Boogaard and Steve MacIntyre articles (among others).--Quartet 19:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that Hockeyfights.com is a reliable source. It's a site run by David M Singer, and relies on user contributed content. They do not disclose where they get their information on heights and weights from or how they check their numbers for accuracy. Same with Hockeydb.com. There are basically 3 options here - official NHL player pages, NHLPA players pages, or a reliable third party source like ESPN.com, TSN.ca, Sportsnet.ca, CNNSI.com etc. etc. --Yankees76 (talk) 20:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I would say go from the source, NHL.com. They would seemingly be the most logical choice. Kaiser matias (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know hockeydb.com has been deemed a reliable source because it provides a bibliography and this has been held up in numerous Feature Article requests. That being said for heights and weights we usually go with NHL.com if its available, and if not we use hockeydb.com. -DJSasso (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll take that as the policy then--Something12356789101 (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Many teams publish their Media Guides online as well. I'd expect the numbers printed there would come from the pre-season physicals, etc. Resolute 20:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

2009–10 United States national women's ice hockey team

Do we need this fork from United States national women's ice hockey team? Grsz¹¹ 00:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I would be bold and redirect. Generally we have been listing the most recent team on national team pages. -DJSasso (talk) 04:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Colorado Rangers

The term "Colorado Rangers" is a trademark of the Colorado Mounted Rangers. The Colorado Rangers page should be merged with the Denver Rangers page, after all, it is the same team. Could somebody please address my discussion comments on its discusson page? Thanks. 128.138.200.94 (talk) 21:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

If anything we would redirect the title Colorado Rangers to the Denver Rangers page. As the Colorado Mounted Rangers page is at appropriate location. I have replied to you also at the talk page. -DJSasso (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Gold medal in the World Cup of Hockey?

I've noticed infoboxes for international competition in hockey player articles where required, it uses gold/silver/bronze medals for the World Cup of Hockey; why? There's no gold, silver, bronze medals for that tournament, the winner gets the WCH trophy. GoodDay (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Cups, anybody wanna join? </advertisement> :) iMatthew ^talk at 23:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Rofl, already have. And I've stunted my editing the past couple weeks to keep things eligible for that.  ;) as far as the WCH goes, I think as a matter of convenience. If medals weren't handed out, then fixing those entries would be ideal.

To my knowledge, there was no gold/silver/bronze medals. The Czech Republic & the USA didn't play a 'bronze medal game' & Canada/Finland wasn't called the 'gold medal game'. The word 'gold' has been used erroneously in the hockey media. GoodDay (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Steven Stamkos' ancestry

I'll look this up later if need be, but wondering if anyone has a citeable source for Stamkos' ethnic heritage, as there has been a very slow moving edit war ongoing relating to whether he has Macedonian, Greek or "slavic" decent. It would be nice to get a source for this to put an end to the nonsense. Resolute 20:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

His dad is Macedonian. Google works wonders: link link --Львівське (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Watch out for the Macedonia naming dispute. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Minor Hockey League move input needed

There has been a request to move Minor Hockey League to Russian Minor Hockey League or Minor Hockey League (Russia). After a few days there have been only four comments and I think there should be more input. Could the people of the Wikiproject please come and give their 2 cents?

Here: Talk:Minor Hockey League#Requested move ... I don't care which way this goes or if it stays the same, just as long as we have consensus in the Project. DMighton (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

It was established here in the first place to move it to Minor Hockey League, it used to be Russian Junior Hockey League.--Львівське (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I know it was... but like usual, someone has come along and requested to move it back. So, asking for some input on the talk page over there. DMighton (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Errr ... this might sound weird to have to ask, but what does the LEAGUE call it in English?  RGTraynor  18:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Either the Minor Hockey League or Youth Hockey League--Львівське (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Arena name change

As of today (1/1/2010) the Swedbank Arena, Örnsköldsvik has been renamed, and the new name is from now on Fjällräven Center. Can anyone with knowledge rename that article and change all links that are linking to that article accordingly? 78.73.112.53 (talk) 15:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. —Krm500 ^{(Communicate!)} 15:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

And Done. Most links changed (historical context stays). --Bamsefar75 (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Notability of non-professionals

Would being selected to a major amateur tournament first team all-star team make someone notable? I'm specifically looking at a Memorial Cup, World Juniors, or Frozen Four type competition. Thanks! Patken4 (talk) 22:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I would think so. A player like like Nino Niederreiter who doesn't have a Wikipedia article is the subject of numerious articles in reliable sources and has represented his country at a major international tournament. In my opinion that's more notable than a fringe player like Steve McKichan who played 1 game in the NHL or other players like Jon Mirasty who have yet to play a regular season game in the NHL, but is a career AHL minor leaguer. --Quartet 23:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Referring specifically to the Cormier, article, right? I would think so. I would consider Memorial Cup All-Star team a major award. Add in that he's drafted, two-time WJHC team, and captain of this year's, and it should be very easy to find enough reliable coverage on him. When it comes to these players, I find the best way to do it is to be detailed and well referenced. Even if Brandon Kozun never plays pro, the references make it obvious he has gained a considerable amount of coverage for a 19 year old junior. Resolute 23:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Brandon Kozun meets WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE anyways so none of us would delete him. Our notability essay doesn't mention major amateur tournament all star teams which is where the ambiguity lays, but I am perfectly fine with saying Cormier is good to go. Didn't realize he had been named to the all star team when I proded him per our usual to delete junior amateurs who have not won awards. -DJSasso (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it the form it is, that looked like an easy delete. So did Kozun though - it just helped that I knew the player so well. Tough when there are new editors running around creating substubs. I've already saved Stefan Della Rovere on top of the Kozun article. Resolute 04:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I generally scan all the juniors involved in the tournament in dec/jan and all the juniors that get drafted in june for the millions of junior players that get created by fans. So this one just fell in my net. Too many clearly non-notables get created at this time of year and june. -DJSasso (talk) 04:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

'No captain' designations in NHL articles

In relation to the situation at Washington Capitals, would anybody support removing the 'no captain' designation from all NHL team & defunct team articles? If there's no name there, then that in itself means 'no captain'. I'm just seeking consistancy. GoodDay (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a second GoodDay, you are missing the point of the discussion and misrepresenting it. What we are saying is that the team was without a captain for only 8 days. This happens all the time. We don't currently list no captain for such short time frames on any page. We only list when it was vacant for a season. This is consistent. -DJSasso (talk) 14:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Unless the captaincy starts getting tracked on a game-by-game basis, I think noting brief transition periods between captains would give such instances undue importance. Isaac Lin (talk) 15:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

But deleting 'no captain at the Caps page, no matter what the reason, is gonna make it out-of-line with the other NHL team articles. If we delete 'no captain' there, let me delete 'no captain' on the other team pages. GoodDay (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

No it won't that is what I am trying to tell you, nowhere else do we list the no-captain for a short few game situation. We only list it for full seasons. So the caps page without the no captain in it is consistent with every other article. Adding it however would be inconsistent. -DJSasso (talk) 16:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Let me make the deletions & give it a week, to see how it looks. GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

GoodDay I honestly think you need to just let it be, you are basically creating a solution in search of a problem. -DJSasso (talk) 16:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

It's the consistancy in me. If we 'delete' the no captain between Clark & Oveckin, that'll stink. GoodDay (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Please read what has been written, it will be consistent with all the other articles if its deleted. We have done this on every other team article. We simply don't list short time frames. We are consistent in that. -DJSasso (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Sorry GoodDay, but listing a "no captain" for a one week period between the naming of captains is just awful. These lists are bad enough as it is without inundating them with useless information. Resolute 16:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to remove no captain from all the NHL team articles, as they are sorta meaningless anyway. Seeing as I'm in the minority on that topic aswell, I won't bother. Shame though, all that groveling, wasted. GoodDay (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

There are nearly always gaps between the previous captain and the next one and I don't believe it to be terribly notable to label all of them as periods without a captain. If a captain misses a game due to personal reasons, or a sequence of games due to injury, is the team without a captain then? If one argues the captain still held the position even without playing, does this mean that periods without captains during the off-season should be noted, as the position was still vacant even without games being played? If the current captain is traded and a new captain is named a few days later but before the next game, was the captaincy vacant? I don't think trying to cover all of these scenarios is very fruitful; from a big picture point of view, the list of captains captures when the team went from captain A to captain B, without any notable loss of leadership in between. Isaac Lin (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

About the only other argument I've got in favour of using 'no captain', would be that less familiar readers may think that the captaincy was vacant for the entire 2009-10 season. GoodDay (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

• The "no captain" designation is useful if there's a genuine interregnum, such as some of the large gaps in Bruins' history when there wasn't a captain. Eight days is far under the radar. To chop out all the "no captains" in the team articles because a bunch of us don't think an 8-day gap's worth bothering over is a bit pointy, isn't it?  RGTraynor  17:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, you've all worn me down. I've exhausted my groveling. GoodDay (talk) 17:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with RGTraynor that there's a threshold below which "no captain" shouldn't be listed and above which it should. As noted, the Bruins have gaps in their history, as do the Leafs. Arguably, a full season with a captain warrants the "no captain" notation—and equally arguably, a mere eight days doesn't warrant it. —C.Fred (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

McPhee/Boudreau would've made this alot easier for me, if they'd given Ovechkin the C before New Year's Day. GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

List of World Junior Championships players for Canada

In a recent bout of insanity, I decided to start work on a list of World Junior Championships players for Canada, and have started work here. It is going to be massive, bigger than the Olympics and Senior Worlds lists, with somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 names (not including the unofficial tournaments, which I had planned on adding). The version in my sandbox only has the basic formatting and it's 92,000 bytes. So, my question is, should I split the list? If so, where? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

~30,000 bytes are used just to color the gold/silver/bronze columns. Is that really necessary? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, because it's a very large table when someone is looking at the table in the middle, all they'll see is 10 consecutive rows of numbers. Adding the colour at least makes things a bit easier to understand. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Why use three columns when most players will have won only one medal, at most? Could just use one column and denote with "G-2009, S-2010" where needed. Resolute 18:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I would say the total column can go outright as well. No need for it, imo. I'd also de-link the years and just use {{World Junior Ice Hockey Championships}}. No need for 600 links to 34 tournaments, imo. that should reduce the size as well. Resolute 18:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've removed the medals column, and switched to the system used in List of Olympic men's ice hockey players for Canada. However, I will leave the links in, because it's a sortable table, and it provides convenient linking for users. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm almost done with the tables. The lists note Hall of Fame players and tournament award winners, but should they also note first overall draft picks in the NHL? Almost every Canadian first overall draft pick after 1977 played in the juniors (except Owen Nolan and Doug Wickenheiser) and it might be interesting to note. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't bother me if its there, but its probably more like Trivia than directly related to the tournament itself. -DJSasso (talk) 19:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

It's here: List of IIHF World Under-20 Championship players for Canada. All comments welcome. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Hockey player infobox

Couple thoughts based on some editing I've done and seen tonight.

There is an IP attempting to add KHL draft info to a few articles (Jiří Tlustý and Taylor Hall (ice hockey b. 1991) to name two). While a KHL team drafting Hall is remarkably irrelevant, for several players who actually play in the KHL, it may be something very much relevant and useful to add to the infobox. It might be useful to convert the WHA_draft fields into something more generic that can support both the WHA and KHL draft systems. Also, looking at Dan Bain and Shannon Szabados, it strikes me that we need to make the pro_career field optional, and add a playing_career alternative for players whom there is no real professional alternative. Neither of these strikes me as being especially controversial, but figured I'd leave it open for discussion first. Resolute 04:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Back when the KHL was having their draft, I was a proponent (the only one?) for adding the KHL draft to the infobox. And I've found myself working on pre-NHL articles recently, a time that included no pros, so I would be for that as well. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

We actually agreed to make the pro career optional in the past but none of us could figure out how to do so. As for the draft...I personally would like to wait to see if it actually keeps happening. With so many teams opting out of it last year etc, there is no sure thing that it will keep happening. -DJSasso (talk) 04:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

If the KHL draft, or even the KHL, die out in the future, we could always just remove the information from the infobox. Its not like what we are doing is set in stone or anything. Kaiser matias (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My point, more or less, is that its not notable enough to be in the infobox yet. Being drafted by the KHL isn't really notable and is mostly looked at as a farce since with teams not drafting...rules changing mid draft...players being drafted that are never going to play there...players being drafted and their current team refusing to allow them to go to the drafting team. Its not really something that needs to be front and centre in the infobox...in the prose of course but not the infobox which is just supposed to be the most important information. -DJSasso (talk) 05:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• The KHL draft is not a real "draft" in the sense it's the best players under 18 in Russia, but rather a dispersal draft of the lower end players or players from non-KHL Russian teams. The draft itself is irrelevant, and undeserving of infobox addition. It's not like the WHA/NHL at all.--Львівське (talk) 07:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• That's good to know. Ok, so just trying to change that pro career field. Sounds like that will be fun. Resolute 14:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• What if we simply dropped "Pro." and named it "Career"? Or would we be risking too many people using first midget/junior game to last game of any kind rather than just top level career? Resolute 14:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering about that last night myself. I have no problem with the change, but I wonder at what point do we consider it a career started. -DJSasso (talk) 14:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd say as it is now: professional if applicable, top level if not. So senior for players who never played pro, or senior-international for female players? Resolute 16:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Works for me. -DJSasso (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

catch 22, noone pays to see women play--Львівське (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha they did in Calgary for awhile...it was actually a popular ticket to see the Oval-Xtreme. Anyways change made to infobox. -DJSasso (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

2012 NHL Entry Draft

The link currently redirects to NHL Entry Draft, but there are already a few draft picks which have been traded (see User:Soccer-holic/Draft picks for details). The traded picks have all been sourced, so WP:V is not an issue; however, it might still be too early for having a stand-alone article simply because there is no further information aside from the trades. So, would it be okay to move the content to mainspace or should it stay where it is for another couple of months? --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 14:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't create a page until a site has been choosen etc. -DJSasso (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Was thinking the same. When the location is announced would be an ideal time to move this into mainspace. Resolute 16:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ice hockey players by century and Male ice hockey players

I have proposed deleting Category:Ice hockey players by century and Category:Male ice hockey players, and their sub-categories.

Comments from members of this project would be welcome in the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 9#Ice_hockey_players_by_century. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)