User talk:Sardur

File:Azerbaijan Democratic Republic 1918-1920 Map.jpg

I do not believe the map would be a derivative work but a synthesis of information from the available sources. Also, being a derivative work was not the reason for requesting deletion. There seemed to be a lot of POV pushing on both sides of the debate and some of the sources cited look biased themselves. I am certainly no expert on the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic, and I'm not sure that the image is right or wrong. The country only existed for two years and barely was recognized as a country by other governments. Much of the border territory was apparently disputed so I can see why there is a heated debate over what the borders were. However, from a Wikipedia deletion process perspective,since no consensus was achieved, I followed the guideline "When in doubt, don't delete." If you believe the process was not followed correctly, please list at Wikipedia:Deletion review. -Regards Nv8200p talk 20:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I closed the debate because I saw that there was no consensus. You can challenge the decision via Wikipedia:Deletion review. -Nv8200p talk 21:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Azerbaijan map DRV

You may wish to read WP:BLUDGEON as it relates to your comments at this debate. Replying to every message at a DRV (or other discussion) tends to get diminishing returns, as users will stop engaging with you because they perceive you will argue with everything they say. Stifle (talk) 09:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Cache Azerland.jpg)

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Banak Cathedral

Hi Sardur, I did some very productive research at the local Armenian bookstore! I found an Armenian book on Classical Armenian architecture published in 2003 in Yerevan (it's in Armenian). It turns out the name of the Cathedral is Բանակ (Banak) and not "Bana" which is what Georgians who wanted to claim the church as theirs. Indeed, the Banak Cathedral is 100% Armenian and very similar to Zvartnots in architecture. I will update the article soon... Best, Serouj (talk) 05:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Narekavank

Dear Sardur, thank you for finding and uploading a picture of Narekavank! Are all pictures on that site in the public domain? How does one verify? Warm regards, Serouj (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Sardur, thanks for the advice. I guess I'll have to find a publication of the picture before 1923... Thanks for the fix on Dzor Dzor. Sometimes the Flickr Upload Bot has the hiccups... Serouj (talk) 16:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

A small token

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar For your strenuous efforts to combat POV pushing, I present to you this Barnstar. You earned it Sardur! - Fedayee (talk) 03:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Goshavank

Dear Sardur, what a great job you've done on the Goshavank article. I did some Google search in the English language and didn't turn up much. I then searched "Գոշավանք" in Armenian haven't yet come across much. I'm a bit busy this week, but I'll take a closer look soon. Best, Serouj (talk) 15:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Location of Surp Arakelots Monastery

Hi Sardur, :) That is a good question! It took me some time -- I had found it about a month ago. I used the description of its location from the VirtualANI page for this monastery (see the "Description" section) to find it on Google Earth. I got some candidate sites and then I compared the pictures of the monastery on VirtualANI to the view from the site when I tilt the Google Earth application to view in 3D. With the Panoramio photo, I think we have visual confirmation... On another note, I bought the English version of the Armenian Art book by Thierry which you used significantly for the French article; I can't wait to go through it... Hopefully I can find English versions of the other articles and books you used. Much thanks. Best, Serouj (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Arakelots in Turkey is at 38.6954266097, 41.5194624612 Meowy 21:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

More accurately 38.6958611111, 41.5196353367 Meowy 21:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

And this is probably Surp Karapet (though I'm not 100% certain) lat=38.9610682987, lon=41.1916979694 Meowy 21:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

And Kumbet Kilise lat=40.5567660924, lon=43.0244575937 I'll look for some of the others later. Meowy 21:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Just realised, I should be posting these on Serouj's talk page! Meowy 21:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Photographs from Research on Armenian Architecture

Good day, Sardur! I wanted to let you know that I have gotten in touch with the Research on Armenian Architecture organization, and they have agreed to allow any of their photos (with some exceptions) to be used on Wikipedia and for any purpose so long as attribution is made to RAA. The exceptions may be those pictures taken by individuals outside the RAA, in which case the RAA may request special permission. Let me know if there are any pictures that you need, I can verify them with RAA, and then upload them for you. They are really a jewel of a source... Serouj (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

As one of those "individuals outside the RAA", I can confirm that I will not allow any of the pictures I supplied to RAA to be used on Wikipedia, and said pictures were supplied to RAA on the condition that they would not be used by third parties without permission. Meowy 20:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Karapetian

Hi Sardur, thanks for the heads up. That Brandt is a funny guy... Especially since he has no case for the Church of Kish article. All of this Caucasian Albania stuff exploded in their face when it turned out that these people were long extinct by the 12th century, some of them assimilating into Armenians and others perhaps among the Azeris... In any case, it's likely this church survived in AZ for the very reason that the Azeris thought it's an Albanian one. Serouj (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem

Wow... Those pictures are a jewel! I hadn't noticed them til now... Serouj (talk) 23:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Purple Barnstar
		I Gazifikator award this Purple Star to Sardur for his significant contribution to Wikipedia's culture related articles.

Gazifikator (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Amaras

Hey Sardur, thanks for your efforts. Be careful of 3RR though, it's not worth it over this vandal. We can take turns reverting as need be... Best wishes. Serouj (talk) 04:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

RE:Translation

Bonjour Sardur. Yes, Armenian monasteries in Armenian is Հայկական վանքեր (haykakan vanker). - Fedayee (talk) 11:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Khachkar article

I have started a RfC about the issues involved in the locking of the Khachkar article. Meowy 22:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

A solution, why not create an Azeri-language article titled "Kaçkar", then link it to the Khachkar article? Even if it were little more than a stub, it would be OK. Meowy 03:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit summary

Please do not call edits like that "nonsense". There is nothing remotely incorrect in saying it is to 'settle the conflict'. --Golbez (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Population estimate of Armenia

Hi. Recently you reverted (together with other things) a new 2009 estimate of the population in Armenia#Demographics (referenced by the CIA World Factbook) back to the 2006 value. Any special reason for this or was it inadvertedly? Greetings, Michbich (talk) 11:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Amaras Monastery

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 12:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I have noted the changes however I don't know enough about the topic to do much more than protect the article. Have you tried WP:RFC? There they can weigh in with a third opinion from informed users. Good luck. SGGH ^ping! 22:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Armenian genocide

thanks for the heads-up to read through the archives... CheesyBiscuit (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Quzeyli

Re. this, don't worry, you made no abuse of rules.
Also, re. my talk page, no problem.
Kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist problems

Greetings! I see both of us are involved in the discussions on the Arm Gen.

I guess I am having a problem with watching the article page and the talk page allike. All the changes are reported but those that the user Hittit makes. Are you having the same problems (if you are watching those pages) or it is only with me? Do you know any reason why it should take place?

Thanks for the help. Aregakn (talk) 09:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I did. It shows all correct in the history but on the pages watched, it doesn't. Aregakn (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

And what follows the sentense he quotes? :) Aregakn (talk) 04:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Heh... protected pages. Thanks anyway! Aregakn (talk) 05:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I've found the problem! It only shows the very last edit of A article or talkpage and was mixing me up... :) Aregakn (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

In relation to the recent developments, though I wouldn't like it, I'd suggest not to be in a hurry. Actions should be made carefully. Are Seto or Aspet known to you? Aregakn (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I meant ajd andzanc here. Aregakn (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide new paragraph: "Patriocide"

Hey mate!

I'd like to inform you about a new discussion opened on the talk-page of the Armenian Genocide article. I proposed adding a new paragraph about Patriocide, along with other losses due to Genocide. Would be glad to see your participation.

Regards Aregakn (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

report on MarshalBagramyan

Those are not really reverts, second, the closure of the AfD and it's conclusion are very questionable. You just can't close a AfD which has 74% of votes for delete and that there were many votes having entered the last days. Particularly when the article was the recreation of similar articles deleted previously. The logical course of events would have been to wait. Someone should replace it for deletion requesting additional votes. Once each side have voted, then will come editors who are neither Armenian nor Turk.

Rational for deletion

• Fails WP:SYNTH
• References have been manipulated, when this was brought the author of the article failed to reply. (See my comment)
• The content is already extensivaly included in other articles, two of those subjects even have their own articles.
• Recreation of similar articles previously deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zpaven (talk • contribs) 15:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Hittit case

At last some issues will be brought up there. I'd like to offer you to mention these violations by Hittit as well. They are clearly for the case. If you don't or do it partially, the rest I shall do myself:

1) Minimum 2 violations of reliable sources as well as national sources on the “Gen. of Ottoman…” article as described in Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement:

Further reading - Publications

• Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Published by The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne 1919 [2]
• The Armenian Atrocities to the Turks in Kars:The Mass Grave Excavation of Kalo/Derecik Village, by Şenol Kantarcı, Yrd. Doç. Dr., Süleyman Demirel Üniversitesi, Atatürk İlkeleri ve İnkılâp Tarihi Bölüm Başkanı [4]

(This is a total propaganda)

2) 2 reverts in less than 2 days on the Armenian Genocide Article:

The 1st edit by him to the meaning and goal of which he (wrongly) reverted the article thrice: [1]

Reverts:

• [2]
• [3]

3) All of the 3 changes above can easily berefered as Disruptive Editing (again as per Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement) with the editor not willing to get to the point as in WP:DE and discussed on the talk of Armenian Genocide article here [4].

ALSO:

4) Clear OR (with faking the link's wording and context) in Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims very first "article-creating" edit [5]:

• "Massacres against Turks and Muslims during the Balkan Wars in the hands of Bulgarians, Greeks and Armenians are described in detailed in the 1912 Carnegie Endowment report.[11]"

• In the original text:

This witness confirmed Lieutenant Fisher's account, believed that not more than twenty Turks were killed in the massacre, and insisted that the local Armenian porters (hamels) had taken the chief part in the disturbances.

The town was without a regular government from July 22, and much robbery took place; but he had previously taken the precaution of sending the Armenian hamals, who were always a troublesome element, out of the town.

In the first sentence it states that some Armenians might have been/were involved in disturbances. In the 2nd sentence, that they were count to be a troublesome element. In neither of those anything accured about Armenians killing Turks in Balkans.

It is surely a method to raise a racial hatred in the reader through falsifying sources.

• In addition, as Zpaven noted, the added edits following after it confirm that goal: "Hupchick estimates that nearly 1,5 million Muslims died and 400,000 became refugees as a result of the Balkan Wars.[24]"

5) A possible vandalism by Hittit deleting an image of New York Times from the Armenian Genocide article with no reasoning or discussion [6].

6) In my turn I want to report 3 other 1RR violations of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement myself (only because you were involved in those edit discussions):

• The original edit:

[7]

• The reverts:

[8] [9] [10]

1. These above could once again be seen in accordance to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement as Disruptive Edits with violation of Consensus.

Have some more, but am out of breath... Will be looking forward for your comments or actions to know if I should comment these or who (anybody else). Aregakn (talk) 23:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I minimised what I could and stated my point on the Arbitration. Aregakn (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Berdavan, Azerbaijan

Hello Sardur, I found this article Berdavan, Azerbaijan, and wanted you to also check it out. I think it should be moved back to an Armenian article or deleted, see if you agree with me. It is misinformation about a town in Armenia. --Liveon001 (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Genocide_of_Ottoman_Turks_and_Muslims. Pcap ping 02:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Participate in discussions for changes in Articles

Hi, I'd like to ask you to express your opinion on this issue discussed [11]. Thanks, Aregakn (talk) 21:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey there! I am not familiar with Sock-pup investigations in general and, seeing you dealth with those puppets before, and because of I don't know those previous cases, I thought you'd deal with them better. Thanks Aregakn (talk) 05:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

This may be of interest to you

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Armenia#Banned_Turkish_nationalist_keeps_removing_references_to_Armenian_Genocide_throughout_Wikipedia.Cheers, Athenean (talk) 04:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration sanction notice

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose, at their own discretion, sanctions on any editor working on pages broadly related to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related conflicts if the editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you continue with the behavior on Urartu, or elsewhere, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. The committee's full decision can be read at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Final decision. Your recent slow-burning revert war on this page needs to stop. Stifle (talk) 08:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)