Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUEshi (5th nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge to GameFAQs message boards.

First let's look at the first four times this has been debated:

• Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/LUEshi - listed, speedied, restored, no closure
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUEshi (2nd nomination) - listed, several opinons stated, speedy deleted
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUEshi (3rd nomination) - listed, some keep, some delete, mostly merges
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LUEshi (4th nomination) - listed, lots of opinons stated, some keeps, some merges, no new evidence presented.

Now, coming to this discussions, there is again no new information presented:

• There are several calims to "internet meme" status, but no evidence given to support these claims. As there is no agreed upon definition of what's a "meme" or what metric it is to be measured by, claims of this nature do not have falsifiability. I'd suggest that this be taken up on the talk of the only relevent guideline, Wikipedia talk:Notability (websites).
• There are several complaints about "having too many AfDs" but this does not adress the article in question and is also impossible to refute. The simplest answer would be "no there haven't been" but that's not terribly satifying. As this is a systemic problem resulting from the general handling of AfD closure for contentions topics, this would best be adressed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion.

Looking over the past discussions, and bearing the above in mind, the resulting redirect is the clearest consensus of not only the participants in this venue but in all the others as well. I thank everyone for their participation.

brenneman^{T}{L} 07:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

LUEshi

Delete.Seriously, this page is not notable at all. Nobody outside of its respective boards have ever heard of it, and nobody will. This page is a waste of space. Its claims to 'fame' are also bogus. Spiffy42 19:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, this just got off AfD on a no consensus vote Feb 19th [1]. Apparently this is the 5th AfD this has undergone... so why will this one end any differently than the previous 4?--Isotope23 19:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Response to comment: There is nothing at all notable about this page to those outside of its home board. Many of the Keep votes from past nomintions for deletion came from board users who rarely use Wikipedia, that just voted Keep once they saw their so-called-meme was up for deletion. Spiffy42 20:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree, this has no notability outside of GameFAQs message board users, but my point is simply that this will probably end in another No Consensus, just like it seems to have every other time. Should be Merged and Redirected to GameFAQs message boards in my opinion.--Isotope23 20:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • In response to that I say Keep and I've never heard of the boards this came from. End repeated afding... otherwise afd becomes "Keep listing til I get the result I want"  ALKIVAR™ 20:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect per Isotope23. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 20:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Dismiss this request for deletion. I am from the board that this fad is from, and while this meme may not be notable in my own opinion, the mere fact that 2 administrators have decided to keep the page, as it currently stands, seems reason enough to me to leave this page alone. Seriously, just like GNAA, the page will continue to be nominated, and lack of concensus will still show. Certain memes are notable, certain memes are not. The community has twice failed to demonstrate a lack of notability in this meme. On another note, the community that spawned this meme has their own version of Digg, Slashdot, Myspace, and even a full Shoutcast radio station. They are a big community, dedicated to solidarity and expansion. They are not likely to sit down and watch this page die without a fight. Many of them, like me, are reliable members of Wikipedia, who contribute regularly, boldly, and in good faith. And as for notability, here is an article whose subject is much less notable, but still has survived one VfD, and thus was decided by the community to not be non-notable: Limecat. That's all I have to add. - CorbinSimpson 21:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, I don't agree with the relisting of this for AfD so close to the closing of the last one, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, 2 administrators did not decide to keep the page: there was simply not a consensus to delete based on the opinions rendered and the closing admins did the correct thing: labeled the AfD as no consensus and thus kept the article by default. Furthermore the notability of the community that spawned this meme is not what is being debated here and really has no bearing on the general notability of the meme. I suppose an admin could dismiss the AfD, but it's just going to happen again, so IMO it might as well play out. If this ends No Consensus, it needs a tag that it has survived deletion 5 times so people don't continue to AfD it.--Isotope23 21:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment As the nominator of the 4th AfD, I'd rather abstain. There's been no consensus to keep or delete on the last 2, and I do think the information should be merged, but this is too soon. I'd rather have waited another month or two to see if the content is really worth keeping or not.--Toffile 21:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• So, what harm is the article doing by being here?--Patashu 21:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• keep please it is a notable meme Yuckfoo 21:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep notable internet memes. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 21:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into its parent entity. — User:Adrian/zap2.js 23:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge as I previously stated in the previous AfD. Either keep the page or merge it with GameFAQs. Douglasr007 01:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect (and merge any truly significant content) to GameFAQs message boards. Lots of message boards have their own lore which is unencyclopedic to the rest of the world. LUEshi is an example of that. --Metropolitan90 01:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: has become a notable Internet meme, and especially as LUEshi's popularity spreads, people will want to look up what it is, where it began, etc. Steve McLinden 01:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A notable internet meme on its own. - Stoph 02:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is getting ridiculous. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 03:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Stevemc1. Somebody really needs to fix the multiple-jeopardy problem. Haikupoet 04:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete. Redirect to its board, merge all worthwhile information. Yet another worthless 'meme' nobody's ever heard of. -Rimsy 19:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, this internet meme is notable on its own. Silensor 19:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep important meme, stop putting up for deletion. -This unsigned comment left 19:38, 2 March 2006 by Tinyboy21
• Weak keep, a whole lotta noise 'rounda world at least apparently in some circles. Wait, again? Fifth frigging AfD? Keep. We need some article to surpass GNAA! A high time! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 23:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• I'm not a big fan of this having its own article, but I agree that it's too soon to re-nominate it. This should've been held off for at least a month or two after the last one was closed. WarpstarRider 02:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, looks notable. Wow, nominated for deletion for the 5th time? --FlyingPenguins 02:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge Outside of the GameFAQs' community, this is hardly notable. Rollie the Guar 13:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Obvious Keep Oh please. It's been up for deletion five times. Every time it's been voted a notable meme. Can we please stop reopening the debate? --Sonicandfffan 17:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Uh, that's a gross misrepresentation. The first debate was no consensus, the second was an improper speedy delete, the third was the only one that had a keep outcome, but that was keep/merge and there was little consensus (information could be kept, but really doens't need an article), and the last one had no consensus, mainly due to heavy vote padding.--Toffile 17:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Intertwined with GameFAQs, YTMND, eBaum's World, drawball, Shigeru Miyamoto, etc...too expansive to simply merge, too notable to delete. BaronMasters 20:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Not really. GameFAQs and its spinoffs are the only places this has notability. The fact that some people from LUE/LL got a printout of the ASCII signed by Miyamoto, took a picture of it taped to the eBaum's offices, and are trying to draw it on Drawball does not give it notoriety outside of the LUE/LL community. If several others not linked to LUE were also using it and referring to it as "LUEshi", it would be different.
    
  • As it stands, this meme is virtually excLUEsive (see what I did there?) to GameFAQs, LUE, and its spinoffs, and the article's content does nothing to convince me otherwise. My biggest problem here, which I partially stated during the last VfD, is the fact that LUE itself has been deemed not notable enough for its own article (a decision which I personally disagree with, being a regular visitor myself). If the main originators of this meme can't even get their own article, why should their mascot get one? WarpstarRider 11:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I don't really understand what most people are talking about, but I came here and learned what I wanted to from this article. It serves its purpose. -- 5th nomination?? Does someone hate this page so badly? -- 58.64.102.150 15:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Yes, a lot of people do. LUE, unlike SA and 4chan, is not open to the public (although not by board concensus or vote), and so is quite secretive, appearing elitist and snobby to most of the surrounding communities. Oh, and here's another meme that should be deleted, if the "zomg only oen comunitie uses it, LOLXD delte delete lue sux !!!oneone!!" argument is considered valid: OS-tan. - CorbinSimpson 20:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That's not the best example you could've chosen. I've seen those used plenty outside of Futaba Channel. Plus the OS-tan subject includes a number of different characters, as opposed to a simple ASCII representation of Mario and Yoshi.
    
  • Also, Assume good faith. I have nothing against LUE; quite the opposite, if you read all of my previous comment. But if LUE itself can't get an article, I don't think this should either. It seems that most of the keep votes here either say "it's notable" with no supporting evidence, or voted to keep simply because it's been voted on with no consensus so many times already. I haven't seen a convincing argument yet as to why this deserves a standalone article. I'd much rather see an article for LUE made, then have the content here merged into it. WarpstarRider 00:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

and that's where the problem starts. Since LUE and LUElinks are private communities, the information that is provided can't be verified and hence the reason why LUElinks can't be recreated and neither can LUE (GameFAQs) Douglasr007 01:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep There have been 4 previous attempts to delete this, and the latest is by a user who doesn't even have his own user page. This meme is as notable as any other, just not as widely-used.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.188.69 (talk • contribs)
  • Uh, slight problem with that. What else makes a meme notable other than it's widespread use?--Toffile 01:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmm. Origin? Connotation? Offensiveness? Hilarity? - CorbinSimpson 02:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Perhaps, but LUEshi has none of those things. I think this line of discussion is probably should be saved for another day, it's a bit off-topic.--Toffile 04:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge and Redirect to GameFAQs message boards - I had to come here to learn what it is. Shingen 02:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep LUEshi is not confined to GameFAQs or related message boards. It is often posted elsewhere which could be part of a message post or signature on virtually any message board in existence. It is the 'mark of LUE' and I feel that many people are currently and will be confused about what it is & means, and where it came from. I only say keep because I feel like Wikipedia is a great place to alleviate confusion & spread information. -Statikeffeck 02:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Scenario: Someone goes to a site and BAM. There's an ASCII of Mario and Yoshi. Under it, it says "LUEshi Forever." Now, how the hell is some person supposed to find out what LUEshi is? Wikipedia. This scenario is actually more common than detractors are willing to admit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.74.79.242 (talk • contribs) .

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