Talk:Jezdimir Dangić

Sarajevo 1914

Solved:Information about Dangić being a member of Young Bosnia, about him being arrested following Gavrilo Princip's assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, about his father's imprisonment and death are added to the article

There are some sources which claim that Dangic was arrested by Austrians after the Sarajevo assassination in 1914 and sentenced to several years of prison as member of Yugoslavist movement Young Bosnia. If that is true it should be presented in the article, both in its text and its lede, together with clarification about the ideology of Young Bosnia.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC) Please provide the sources in question and if they're reliable I don't see any reason why these facts shouldn't be included in the article. 23 editor (talk) 17:35, 29 September 2013 (UTC) Dangić and related topics are not subject of my interest, so I am uncertain about them and the reliability of sources. Maybe editors who are more acquainted in the Chetniks subject can help to estimate reliabilty of the sources in context of the assertions they support. Here are some of them that confirm 1914 imprisonment of Dangić, some of them asserting that he was trialed in Tuzla: Tomislav Krsmanović (2003). Drinski rašomon: dnevnik. Sfairos. p. 47. Retrieved 29 September 2013. Јездимир Дангић је рођен 1987. године у Братунцу. Због припадања наци- онално-револуционарној организацији „Млада Босна", 1914. године, на судским процесима у Тузли, осућен је на тамновање,... Vladimir Dedijer (1966). Sarajevo hiljadu devetstso četraneste. Prosveta. p. 583. Retrieved 29 September 2013. ...Јездимир Дангић на две и по ... Veljko Đ Đurić (2001). Major Dangić. Pogledi. p. 11. Retrieved 29 September 2013. Дангић је рсфен 4. маја 1897. године у Братунцу, срез Сребреница. Због припадања на- ционално-револуционарној организацији "Млада Босна", 1914. године на судским процесима у Тузли је осуђен на тамновање.... - this source also says that his father's name was Savo. Pero Slijepčević (1929). Napor Bosne i Hercegovine za oslobođenje i ujedinjenje. Izd. Obl. odbora nar. odbrane. p. 230. Retrieved 29 September 2013. Саво Дангић, с. сребренички код кућеумро 31. X. 1915 после затвора у Тузли - This source says that Savo Dangic was priest in Srebrenica and that he was also imprisoned in Tuzla during WWI and listed among Serb victims of persecution of the Serbs which followed Sarajevo 1914 assassination. Y Branko Memedović (1987). Pola veka na srpskoj njivi, 1934-1984. Izd. SNO u Kanadi. p. 228. Retrieved 29 September 2013. Дангић је рођен у Подрињу, са Босанске стране, недалеко од Зворника. Гимназију учио у Тузли и као ђак припадао организацији Младе Босне, због чега је хапшен и затваран, пред Први светски рат, и био суђен и осуђиван... - this source also presents the information that he completed a high-school in Tuzla. According to some sources he even wrote two books about his imprisonment in Tuzla ("Naše Tamnovanje", Tuzla 1938 and "Glad i tamnica", Novi Sad, 1940) There are numerous websites that present text of Dangić's letter to Ustaša commander of Zvornik. In this letter he emphasize that he was imprisoned for three and a half years because he was Yugoslav nationalist.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC) SNO Canada is unlikely to be considered a reliable publishing house, Dedijer would be fine. I'll have to look more closely at the rest. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Poland

The text mentions "liberation of Poland in 1945". I propose to replace "liberation" with more neutral term.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC)  Done

Solved:Information about Dangićs escape from the prison in 1943, and participation in the Warsaw uprising added to the article.

Vladimir Dedijer; Antun Miletić (1990). Genocid nad Muslimanima, 1941-1945. Svjetlost. p. 86. Retrieved 29 September 2013. ... gde je bio do kraja 1943. Iz zarobljeništva pobegao u Poljsku, gde se (u Krakovu) predao sovjetskim jedinicama - This source says that Dangic was imprisoned until the end of 1943 when he escaped and in 1945 in Krakov surrendered himself to Red Army.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC) If you can improve the article in any way using reliable sources then please do. 23 editor (talk) 17:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC) I might be wrong with this and would appreciate additional imput. Dangić and related topics are not subject of my interest, so I am uncertain about them and the reliability of sources. Maybe editors who are more acquainted in the Chetniks subject can help to estimate reliability of the sources in context of the assertions they support. If he was really imprisoned only until 1943 it is very important to clarify what happened to him in period 1943-1945.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2013 (UTC) I think that the topic of this article should have been better researched before GA nomination. This source (Stanislav Krakov. General Milan Nedić. p. 145. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Са овима је он узео учешћа и у Варшавском устанку, који је избио у августу 1944 под командом пољског генерала Бор- Коморовског.) says that Dangic joined Armia Krajowa in 1943 and struggled against Nazi Germans and being one of participants in the Warsaw Uprising. Even Politikin Zabavnik has a story about Dangić's struggle against Germans in period 1943-1945 (link). --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC) There is nothing wrong with the referencing of this article. GA criteria 3 is broad coverage, addressing the main aspects of the topic, not every single detail of the man's life. No doubt you are aware (although others may not be) that Krakov was a nephew of Milan Nedić? I would not consider him a reliable source on a Chetnik that collaborated with his uncle. Krakov was also a friend of the fascist Zbor leader and collaborator Dimitrije Ljotić, and was the propaganda chief of Zbor from 1937 onwards. He later edited the collaborationist Belgrade newspaper Obnova. Shall I go on? Dedijer and Miletić, on the other hand, could be reasonably considered to be reliable on Dangić, and should be included. Be BOLD and add the information you have sourced from them. In what alternate Wikipedia universe would Politikin Zabavnik be a reliable source about anything other than itself? Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC) If he really escaped the prison in 1943 and joined Armia Krajowa to fight against Nazi Germans for next two years, even participating in the Warsaw Uprising, such information can be hardly referred to as "every single detail of the man's life". --Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2013 (UTC) True, but of course we would first have to have a reliable source for it, not Nedic's nephew or a comic. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC) There are three important assertions about Poland here: escape from the prison in 1943 joining Armia Krajowa to struggle against Nazi Germans participation in the Warsaw uprising You probably overlooked that I presented Dedijer/Miletić as source for the first assertion. They are already used in the article so I guess you will not attempt to proclaim their unreliability. Krakov's lack of neutrality is not same as lack of reliability. If Krakov, as nephew of Milan Nedić and Dangić's 'fellow Nazi collaborator', says that Dangic fought against Nazi Germans in Poland then it is likely to be true. Don't you agree? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Here are some additional sources: NIN: nedeljne informativne novine. Politika. 1995. p. 20. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Напослетку, „Политика" је и то објавила, да је мајор Дангић, побегав- ши из Офлага у Нирнбергу, учество- вао у варшавском устанку, у августу 1944, на страни Бора Комаровског. Biljana J. Djelevich; Jaksa V. Djelevich (1993). Prvi Dražin ađutant Jakša V. Đelević: doprinos istoriji Ravnogorskog pokreta. Izd. pisca. p. 166. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Мајор Јездимир Дангић је исто тако побегао из немачког заробљеништва, повезао се са Армијом Крајова и суделовао у Варшавском устанку. Tomislav Krsmanović (2003). Drinski rašomon: dnevnik. Sfairos. p. 47. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Дангић бежи у Пољску и придружује се јединицама Боре Комаровског и тако учествује у ослобоћењу Варшаве 1944. године. Mladen Colić (1973). Takozvana Nezavisna Država Hrvatska 1941. Delta-pres. p. 335. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Iz logora je uspjeo pobjeći i pridružio se Varšavskom ustanku 1944. godine. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:32, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Like I said already (I didn't overlook it, I addressed it in my comment), I have no problem with the first point, so I've encouraged you to go right ahead and edit the article and cite it from the source you have indicated. I'm not going to guess about Krakov's motives, he is affiliated with Nedic and Ljotic, and not a third party, so an uncorroborated claim by him that Dangić did something that runs against his well-documented collaboration is an extraordinary claim in my book. Of course, if a reliable third party source for the second two points is verified, I would encourage that the information to be added. I'll have a look at the ones you've produced, as I am sure the other involved editors will. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC) forget Djelevich and Djelevich, which looks to be self-published. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC) I have no view about Colic, but he is already used in the article, so it would seem that other editors consider him a RS. Thus, including any information from his book would be fine. Why don't you go right ahead and add it? Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Thanks. I will do it as soon as I study this period a little more. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Colic doesn't say he joined the Armija, just the uprising, I have amended the article (and the "solved" template) to reflect this. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

AD please abstain from making assumptions and claims that the sources do not make. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 17:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This edit of mine (reverted by PRODUCER) does not mention Armia Krajowa. What is problem with it? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Čolaković visit

What is the meaning/context/relevance of that sentence? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Čolaković was a Communist politician and it is notable that he chose to visit an imprisoned Chetnik commander. 23 editor (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Their connection is also mentioned in Family section on this talkpage.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Collaboration

The infobox and lede emphasize Dangićs collaboration with Germans in period December 1941 — April 1942. That contradicts the text of the article which says that "Dangić's Chetniks collaborated with German forces in eastern Bosnia over a period of several weeks..." after Kuntze vetoed the conclusion of the agreement on 12 February 1942. This assertion is based on Tomasevic who says (p 208) " ... the parties seems to have gone ahead with some collaboration for a few weeks...". Even communist prosecutor (who explained that Dangic was among recipients of the Karađorđe star received from prime minister of the Royal Yugoslav government-in-exile in London? on p. 92) accused Dangic for collaboration with Germans since the beginning of 1942 (Jezdimiru Dangiću, Mihailovićevom komandantu Istočne Bosne koji je od početka 1942 godine sarađivao sa nemačkim okupatorima i Nedićem protiv partizana.) Somehow few weeks after 12 February 1942 became several months with edit made by PRODUCER (diff). Why? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Like I said, be WP:BOLD. Obviously you've taken the time to find sources (these and those mentioned above) and place them on the talk page. What's stopping you from adding these things to the article itself? I appreciate your input, by the way. 23 editor (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I already explained why I do not edit article myself. Dangić and related topics are not subject of my interest, so I am reluctant to perform changes of the text without opinion of group of editors who are main contributors to this article (including Peacemaker67 and PRODUCER) and much more acquainted in the Chetniks subject. Therefore I would really appreciate if PRODUCER can reply to my question and explain his above edit.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Both 23 and I have given you an opinion, so go right ahead. No doubt someone will revert you if they think you've overstated the case. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there any specific reason not to give PRODUCER a chance to explain his position? If not, I would appreciate if he can reply to my question.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, PRODUCER hasn't been around much recently though. I would have thought that three out of four is sufficient consensus for inclusion. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

He had more than dozen edits in this article alone in past 24 hours. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Then I'll leave it with him. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I added that due to the fact that "Between December 1941 and April 1942, Dangić engaged in direct negotiations with the Germans. During the latter half of December he met with Abwehr representatives numerous times in an effort to reach an agreement with them." I think conspiring to commit treason is within itself collaboration. Your mention of the Karađorđe star speaks more about the exile government than Dangic and the other collaborating Chetnik commanders that received the same medal. Personally I don't plan on getting bogged down in 10 simultaneous discussions. I'm already having déjà vu from the Pavle Đurišić discussions. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 15:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Celebrated?

According to the this source

• Branko Memedović (1987). Pola veka na srpskoj njivi, 1934-1984. Izd. SNO u Kanadi. p. 229. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Народ је почео да слави Дангића и да му нсва пссмс. Као што је ова: На сред горе Романије Четнички се барјак вије, Ај нека га нек се вије Он је дошао из Србије. Донела га Дангић рука, Команданта петог пука

Dangic was celebrated by some people who composed songs in his honour. If that is true it might be a good idea to add this information to the article, together with information about his Karadjordje star?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

SNO Canada is the publishing house, I assume (see above)? Surely if he was awarded the Karageorge Star there would be a clearly reliable source for that, not a book published by the Serbian National Defence of Canada? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The source for Karegeorge star is communist prosecutor on the trial to Draža Mihailović. I already explained it in the section about collaboration.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't clear. However, in respect of songs, we'd want a better source in my opinion. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

This song really exist. I found it on youtube (link).--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

• Veljko Đ Đurić; Miličko Mijović (1993). Ilustrovana istorija četničkog pokreta. Narodna knj. p. 328. Retrieved 30 September 2013. ...Два хероја славне Босне гора: Тодоровић и Дангић мајора...--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Family

According to the below source:

• NIN: nedeljne informativne novine. Politika. 1995. p. 20. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Наша мајка Невена Дангић, рође- на Јовановић, удова почившег Језди- мира Дангића,

Dangic had a wife (Nevena) and children.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC) He had brother Vojin, who also was chetnik:

• Rodoljub Čolaković (1966). Zapisi iz Oslobodilačkog rata. "Prosveta," "Kultura,". p. 148. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Јездимир Дангић покушао да искупи бар један батаљон четника и да нападне Нову Касабу и Милиће. С тим задатком кренуо је ње- гов брат, Војин Дангић, из Братунца--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

That looks fine. The connection with Čolaković is interesting. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is. I think I saw somewhere that two of them were good friends because Dangic was leftist in his youth and as communist sympathizer collaborated with communists at the beginning of the WWII. If that is true it certainly deserves to be better researched.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Y

Enver Redžić (already used in the article) explains that two of them were members of the joint Chetnik-Partisan command:

• Enver Redžić (2005). Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Second World War. Frank Cass. p. 159. ISBN 978-0-7146-5625-0. Retrieved 30 September 2013. The members of the joint command were Major Jezdimir Dangic, Captain Sergije Mihailovic and Pero Dukanovic on the Chetnik side, and Rodoljub Colakovic, Slobodan Princip and Svetozar Vukmanovic on the Partisan side.

I am surprised that such important information was overlooked. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Even official SFRY institute confirms this:

• Vojno-istoriski glasnik. 1950. p. 52. Retrieved 30 September 2013. У Оперативни штаб ушли су од стране партизана: Светозар Вук- мановић-Темпо, Родољуб Чолаковић и Слободан Принцип-Сељо, а од стране четника: Јездимкр Дангић, капетан Сергије Михајловић и Перо Ђукановић--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• More about family: Dedijer/Miletić, page 88: "Pero Dangić rođak majora Dangića ubijen je od strane Njemaca." [Pero Dangic, cousin of major Dangic was killed by Germans"--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
• After Dangic's extradiction to Yugoslavia his wife wrote a letter to Tito begging him to release Dangic from prison. Tito rejected. - NIN. nedeljne informativne novine. Politika. 2000. p. 59. Retrieved 1 October 2013. Мол- ба Дангићеве жене маршалу Титу за по- миловање била је одбијена.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Imprisonment in Soviet Union

The text of the article says:

• "Soviets captured Poland, Dangić was captured by the Red Army and extradited to Yugoslavia's new Communist authorities"

Below source:

• Marko Milunović (1992). Od nemila do nedraga. M. Milunović. p. 401. Retrieved 30 September 2013. У затвору "Лефертовскаја тјурма" већ су се налазили: мајор Јездимир Дангић,...

• self published. Bringing self-published sources is just a waste of time. If you want to be treated seriously, bring only serious sources. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

explains that he was first imprisoned in Moscow. Any thoughts?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Enciklopediski i politićki komentar "Genosida": prva ćetnićka enčiklopedija. 1964. p. 117. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Дангић, кога су Руси тек после 14 протесних нота и две и по године натезања и оклевања предали Титу - This source confirms that he was first imprisoned in Moscow and only after some time decided to deliver him to Tito.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• self published. Stop wasting my time. I am attempting to address the points that you raise in good faith, but you are not demonstrating good faith in what you raise. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Another unnecessarily harsh comment you write to me. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:55, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Veljko Đ Đurić (2001). Major Dangić. Pogledi. p. 60. Retrieved 30 September 2013. д о сада је објављено неколико верзија краја војводе Дан- гића. ... По једној, предали су га одмах комунистичким властима у Београду.154 По другој одвели су га у Москву и, тек касније, 1947.
  • The same author wrote another work dedicated to Dangić (Veljko Đ Đurić (1997). Novi prilozi za biografiju vojvode Jezdimira Dangića. Nova Srbija. Retrieved 30 September 2013.). If those two works are the only works dedicated to Dangice they maybe can be added to further reading section? If there is any particular objection to its reliability, it can be added as a note.
• Miodrag S. Ratković (1981). Моје тамновање: у совјетском затвору "Љубљанка. Izdaje Srpski Kulturni klub "Sv. Sava" u Kanadi. p. 89. Retrieved 30 September 2013. ...када је у једној борби био заробљен од стране совјетске армије, и одмах авионом пребачен у Москву.

--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• For starters it's not in English, and as a self published work, it isn't reliable. I would oppose including any self-published source, even if it was in English. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 10:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure that (both) Đurić and Ratković are selpublished? Hoare in his work which is already used in this article uses Đurić as source. Maybe both should be avoided? Here is another non-selfpublished source:

• NIN. Nedeljne informativne novine. Politika. April 1990. p. 50. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Руси су га ухватили, 1947, и предали југосло- венским властима, а исте године над њим је извршена смртна пресуда.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Bratunac, Vlasenica, Foča...?

There are sources that Dangić took Foča from Axis forces (and according to some of them persecuted its Muslim population).

• Vučeta Redžić (2002). Građanski rat u Crnoj Gori: Dešavanja od sredine 1942. godine do sredine 1945. godine. Stupovi. p. 59. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Четнички командант заузео је Фочу у децембру 1941
• even Croatian institute (probably not quite neutral and reliable) confirms this Tomislav Markus (2002). Predstavke županija i gradova banske Hrvatske: 1861.-1867. : izbrani dokumenti. Hrvatski institut za povijest. p. 182. ISBN 978-953-6491-84-1. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Tako su četnici još istoga dana ušli u Goražde, a 5. prosinca 1941. u Foču, u kojoj su ostali do 20. siječnja 1942
• even official institute in 1950 (probably not quite neutral and reliable) indirectly confirms this assertion Vojnoistorijski institut (Belgrade, Serbia) (1950). Zbornik Dokumenta. p. 367. Retrieved 30 September 2013. У градовима: Фочи, Горажду, Чајничу, као и у" околним селима завладао је дивљи терор. Четничке руље под воћством разних Дангића, Михаило- вића, Ђекића, Тодоровића и других издајника

Foča is not even mentioned in the article. Any thoughts?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Milazzo mentions a move to the Foca area, but the Italians occupied the town after the Partisans left and went to Zelengora, so it seems unlikely Dangic had much to do with it. He may have worked with the Italians when they occupied it. I'll be using Milazzo to add more detail. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 10:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems that Dangic was commander of Chetnik forces (then allied with partisans) that managed to drive out Axis forces from Bratunac and Srebrenica in August 1941:

• Vojno-istoriski glasnik. 1950. pp. 36, 37. Retrieved 30 September 2013. ...Братунац „славио побједу". Дангић је успио да се натури за команданта тамошњих снага, које су првих дана устанка биле окулљене око Пере Ђукановића

But Čolaković later decided to attack Chetniks in Bratunac.

• Rodoljub Čolaković (1966). Zapisi iz Oslobodilačkog rata. "Prosveta," "Kultura,". p. 141. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Дангић и Ботић су у Братунцу, гдје се налази четничка команда позадине. Ријешили смо да одмах ноћас нападнемо Власеницу, па тек онда да кренемо на Братунац. Ако бисмо одмах пошли на Братунац, Дангић ће побјећи

The article presents Bratunac and Srebrenica as towns under Dangic's command, but fails to present information that Chetniks drove out Axis forces from Bratunac.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The same goes for Vlasenica.

• The article presents information about Dangić and his Chetniks being in Vlasenica but fails to provide any explanation about it. There are many sources which claim that Vlasenica was also under control of Dangić. Even official military institute of SFRY confirms that Dangić commanded forces that captured Vlasenica (Rudi Petovar; Savo Trikić (1982). Šesta proleterska istočno-bosanska brigada. Vojnoizdavački zavod. p. 54. Retrieved 30 September 2013. ...када се устанак на Романи]и разбуктао, непри]ател> ]е поново напустио Власеницу, у ко]у су ушли четници Дангића и Аћима).
• One Ustaše source emphasize that Vlasenica was actually a headquarter of Dangić (Hrvatska misao. 1961. p. 11. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Toga dana pala je u naše ruke Vlasenica, sjedište zapovjednika Dangića,). Is it true? Work of Dedijer/Miletić clarify that in Vlasenica Chetniks established 'Government of Eastern Bosnia' which president was Aćim Babić while Dangić was commander of all military units (Vladimir Dedijer; Antun Miletić (1990). Genocid nad Muslimanima, 1941-1945. Svjetlost. p. 87. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Prilikom njihovog rada u Vlasenici, Aćim Babić trgovac iz Krama kod Vlasenice, osnovao je u Vlasenici t. z. vladu istočne Bosne, kojoj je bio sam na čelu, a major Dangić bio je komandant svih četa, odreda i operirao prema Višegra- du,)
• Vojnoistorijski institut (Belgrade, Serbia). Zbornik dokumenata i podataka o narodnooslobodilačkom ratu naroda Jugoslavija. Vojnoistorijski institut. p. 79. Retrieved 30 September 2013. од Зворника преко Власенице, Сребрнице, Соколца, па све до Стијена на Романији ослобођен је, било од стране партизанских, било четничких одреда мајора Дангића. - Even the official military institute of SFRY emphasizes that Dangic's forces participated in "liberation" of the area between Zvornik and Romanija which include Vlasenica, Srebrenica, Sokolac...
• Operation Southeast Croatia which is GA confirms that Chetniks of Eastern Bosnia captured not only Vlasenica but many other towns within "a large portion of eastern Bosnia" ("According to Enver Redžić, in early January 1942, the Chetniks controlled a large portion of eastern Bosnia, including the towns of Zvornik, Višegrad, Vlasenica, Srebrenica, Drinjača, Bratunac, Foča, Ustikolina, Goražde and Čajniče. Due to continuing cooperation between the two groups, the Chetniks also shared control of the towns of Rogatica, Olovo and Han Pijesak with the Partisans.") If this was really true it should be clarified in the article. A map of the Chetnik territory in Eastern Bosnia would be very useful.
• D. Jevdjevic (1988). Sabrana dela srpskog cetnickog vojvode Dobroslava Jevdevica. p. 235. Retrieved 1 October 2013. Војвода Дангић је у Власеници успоставио привремену босанску владу - This source written by Chetnik confirms claims of SFRY sources about "Provisional Government of Bosnia" proclaimed in Vlasenica by Dangić's Chetniks. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:58, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Various

• I found a source which says that Dangic was commander of gendarmerie in Tuzla (Članci i grada za kulturnu istoriju istočne Bosne. Muzej istočne Bosne u Tuzla. 1972. p. 66. Retrieved 30 September 2013. U izvještaju Jezdimira Dangića. komandira tuzlanske žandarmerijske čete)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
• I found a couple of SFRY sources (not always reliable when it comes to Chetniks) which say that Partisans made agreement with Dangic and his Chetniks in Drinjača on 1 October 1941:
  • Branko Latas; Milovan Dželebdžić (1979). Četnički pokret Draže Mihailovića 1941-1945. Beogradski izdavačko-grafički zavod. p. 54. Retrieved 30 September 2013. партизанско-четничког спорз- зума у Дрињачи од 1. октобра 1941,).
  • (Branislav Đurđev; Zdravko Antonić; Enver Redžić (1973). 1941. [i.e. Hiljadu devetsto četrdeset i prva] u historijinaroda Bosne i Hercegovine: Naučni skup, održan u Drvaru od 7. do 9. oktobra 1971. godine. "Veselin Masleša". p. 208. Retrieved 30 September 2013. ..odluka o konferenciji... Dangić u Rogatici javno govorio da je saradnja između partizana i četnika prekinuta "zato što partizani ne poštuju sporazum zaključen u Drinjači" {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)). This source, coauthored by Redžić who is already used in the article, asserts that Vlasenica conference was proposed by partisans because Dangić complained that they do not respect their agreement reached in Drinjača.
  • Mladen Colić (1973). Takozvana Nezavisna Država Hrvatska 1941. Delta-pres. p. 335. Retrieved 30 September 2013. Četničko rukovodstvo je to na riječima prihvatilo, pa je 1. oktobra u Drinjači potpisan sporazum o suradnji izmedju partizana i... --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
• Timeline of Dangic-Partisan cooperation. The below source says that first contacts between Partisans and Dangic were obtained in the first half of September 1941. Members of the Partisan command of Sarajevo region met with Dangic on Romanija and reported to their supreme command about Dangic being their potential ally. On 20 September Supreme Partisan command issued instructions for cooperation with Chetniks' detachments which was the basis for establishment of the cooperation between Partisans and Dangic.
  • Branko Latas; Milovan Dželebdžić (1979). Četnički pokret Draže Mihailovića 1941-1945. Beogradski izdavačko-grafički zavod. p. 53. Retrieved 30 September 2013.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
• Voivode title. There is an ocean of sources which refer to Dangić as voivode. Still, I could not find any reliable source for this title being officially awarded to Dangic. Therefore it might be a good idea to clarify that Dangic was one of self-proclaimed Chetnik voivode as the following SFRY source says (Vojnoistorijski institut (Belgrade, Serbia) (1952). Zbornik dokumenata i podataka o narodnooslobodilačkom ratu naroda Jugoslavija. Vojnoistorijski institut. p. 184. Retrieved 1 October 2013. Ти шпијуни су четнички официри и самозване војводе Дангић, Тодоровић, Јеф- тић, Михаиловић,)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
• Bruno Bušić as source for number of Muslim victims of Dangić's forces? Here is what Tomasevich says about him - Jozo Tomasevich. War and Revolution in Yugoslavia: 1941 - 1945. Stanford University Press. p. 727. ISBN 978-0-8047-7924-1. Retrieved 1 October 2013. The most notable revisionist figures regarding wartime losses in Croatia were published by Bruno Busic, a researcher, journalist, and political activist during Croatian nationalist euphoria from 1969 to 1971. I think that it is necessary to find better source for this assertion.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Y

Good point on Bušić. Can you find another source mentioning Colaković and the number of Muslim deaths Dangić was responsible for? Good work digging up sources so far. 23 editor (talk) 23:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to find it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

• Branko Memedović (1987). Pola veka na srpskoj njivi, 1934-1984. Izd. SNO u Kanadi. p. 228. Retrieved 29 September 2013. Дангић је рођен у Подрињу, са Босанске стране, недалеко од Зворника. Гимназију учио у Тузли и као ђак припадао организацији Младе Босне, због чега је хапшен и затваран, пред Први светски рат, и био суђен и осуђиван... - this source also presents the information that he completed a high-school in Tuzla.
• According to some sources he even wrote two books about his imprisonment in Tuzla ("Naše Tamnovanje", Tuzla 1938 and "Glad i tamnica", Novi Sad, 1940)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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"In mid-1942, Đoka Đorđević, senior Serbian Interior Ministry official, asked Đukanović during a visit to Nedić: "Do you really still have Turks in Bosnia? They must all be expelled and cleansed, so that we can enter Bosnia and establish our government."[53]"

What does this have to do with Dangić? 23 editor (talk) 00:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Đukanović was in Dangić's Chetnik Provisional Administration that was set up in east Bosnia which I'll expand on when I'm done fleshing out other bits of the article. He accompanied him in the Belgrade meetings and it's particularly relevant given the aspirations of Dangić and Nedić. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 01:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

• This SFRY source says that Provisional government of Eastern Bosnia was disestablished by Dangić in February 1942 - Branko Latas; Milovan Dželebdžić (1979). Četnički pokret Draže Mihailovića 1941-1945. Beogradski izdavačko-grafički zavod. p. 132. Retrieved 1 October 2013. По повратку у источну Босну Дангић је 6. феб- руара 1942. распустио Привремену управу и реор- ганиэовао.
• This quote is not the only quote which is added to the article to overemphasize collaborationism and bloodthirstiness of Dangic and Chetniks, or simply to ridicule them. The result is complete mess:
  1. "Do you really still have Turks in Bosnia?" This quote is not connected to Dangic.
  2. Dangić is said to have held a "fierce hatred" of Muslims,
  3. allegedly saying that he wished to "kill them all,"
  4. and that he had an "absolute willingness" to collaborate with the Germans.
  5. Mihailović had urged the Chetniks to "avoid clashes with the Germans for as long as possible."
  6. Dangić likewise sought to avoid conflict with the Germans and began to pursue a policy of "self-defence against the Ustaše and revenge against the Croats and Muslims."
  7. Hoare describes this behaviour as being "not yet genocidal."
  8. It also reported that "[Dangić] has had good relations with the Germans and does everything in order to avoid collision between his troops and the Germans."
  9. to "prevent the Chetniks from taking their revenge against the Croats."
  10. "to slit the throats of the Turks, except for any pretty Turkish ladies"
  11. and "screw down the Croats so hard that they wouldn't dare for a thousand years to look at a Serb askance."
  12. "to turn our People's Liberation Struggle into a war of Serbs against Muslims"
  13. "that the peaceful toiling Muslim people is not to blame for the crimes that the Ustaše have commited, and that the People's Liberation Army must protect them from persecution and killing."
  14. Dangić wished for "Serbs to gather for a war of revenge"
  15. Dangić ordered his own troops to permit the Germans to pass through Bosnia, saying "they are advancing peacefully and minding their own business without disturbing our unfortunate and long-suffering people."
  16. Dangić's staff declared that the Partisans "are led by the Kike Moša Pijade, the Turk Safet Mujić, the Magyar Franjo Vajnert, and that so-and-so Petar Ilić whose real name nobody knows [emphasis in the original]" ...
  17. the shared goal of the Partisans and Ustaše was "to break up and destroy Serbdom. That, and that alone! [emphasis in the original]"
  18. They started to re-form Chetnik units in eastern Bosnia and began agitating against the Partisans on a "conservative, Serb-nationalist and anti-Muslim basis."
  19. "Major Dangić is a Serb and will remain one. He has only made the offer in order to use East Bosnia as his troop training ground, to overcome the winter months, and to make preparations to gain East Bosnia for Serbia."
  20. "Dangić on this occasion declared that he and his men would, even in the conditions of a general uprising in the Balkans and the arrival of the English, fight loyally and without wavering on the German side. He declared on this occasion his belief that only German victory could guarantee Serbia the position due to it in the Balkans, while the victory of Bolshevism would mean the destruction of every nation, thus also including the Serb nation."
  21. "Nedić's Chetniks are distributing weapons and ammunition from the quota they receive from the Germans for the struggle against the Communists. They are constantly sent from Serbia into Bosnia and are claiming that they will conquer the latter."

There is an essay Wikipedia:Quotations which says : "Where a quotation presents rhetorical language in place of more neutral, dispassionate tone preferred for encyclopedias, it can be a backdoor method of inserting a non-neutral treatment of a controversial subject into Wikipedia's narrative on the subject, and should be avoided."--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This claim that the quotes are there simply to "overemphasize collaborationism and bloodthirstiness of Dangic and Chetniks, or simply to ridicule them" is absolute rubbish. Every single one of those quotes is reliably sourced and relevant to the topic at hand. The personal essay is not a guideline merely another editor's suggestion and a poor attempt at legitimizing your personal dislike of the content. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 17:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC)