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I am amazed that Wikipedia is still allowing its use considering it is discriminatory, [[Wikipedia:LABEL|contentious]] labeling, especially in light of current world events. Even the hard core liberal, Bill Maher, is against its use as noted in his interview with Dinesh D'Souza on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, May 9, 2014. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 15:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I am amazed that Wikipedia is still allowing its use considering it is discriminatory, [[Wikipedia:LABEL|contentious]] labeling, especially in light of current world events. Even the hard core liberal, Bill Maher, is against its use as noted in his interview with Dinesh D'Souza on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, May 9, 2014. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 15:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
:What do you want to call it then? Anti-Muslim Radicalization? This is the most common known term. Your ap stylebook aregument is still irrelevent. Your quote from a blog doesn't offer anything to consider. And Bill Maher? Do do tell me more about the position of an alleged islamophobic. I do see whitewashing as useful.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 02:21, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
:What do you want to call it then? Anti-Muslim Radicalization? This is the most common known term. Your ap stylebook aregument is still irrelevent. Your quote from a blog doesn't offer anything to consider. And Bill Maher? Do do tell me more about the position of an alleged islamophobic. I do see whitewashing as useful.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 02:21, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

::{{ping|Serialjoepsycho}} Why don't you ask the 276 Nigerian girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram fighters last month what they'd recommend. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 02:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
::{{ping|Serialjoepsycho}} Why don't you ask the 276 Nigerian girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram fighters last month what they'd recommend. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 02:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|atsme}}That actually borders a justification for Islamophobia. I'm not sure why would even remotely ask that but I'll anser. I won't ask because that would be irrelevent to this discussion. That would be like asking Lego why make blue lego's and bringing that information in to this discussion. What does this highlight exactly? Some Muslims have done bad things?[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 07:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:::{{ping|atsme}}That actually borders a justification for Islamophobia. I'm not sure why would even remotely ask that but I'll anser. I won't ask because that would be irrelevent to this discussion. That would be like asking Lego why make blue lego's and bringing that information in to this discussion. What does this highlight exactly? Some Muslims have done bad things?[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 07:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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:::::As far as the rest of your rant goes [[wp:soapbox]] Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Good luck with promoting politically correctness. No wait that is wrong... Good luck trying to censor wikipedia.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 00:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::As far as the rest of your rant goes [[wp:soapbox]] Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Good luck with promoting politically correctness. No wait that is wrong... Good luck trying to censor wikipedia.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 00:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::The opinions expressed about Islamophobia are pretty much split down the middle. I don't understand why it's allowed to remain under those circumstances. The fact there are so many editors who feel it's contentious and discriminatory should be enough to eliminate the label, particularly the template. Here's a positive suggestion for you - instead of agitating editors on talk pages, why don't you write a useful article? I'm working on two different articles now, and have been staying busy editing main articles, so I really don't need to be wasting my time arguing about something neither of us can change at this point in time. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 16:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::The opinions expressed about Islamophobia are pretty much split down the middle. I don't understand why it's allowed to remain under those circumstances. The fact there are so many editors who feel it's contentious and discriminatory should be enough to eliminate the label, particularly the template. Here's a positive suggestion for you - instead of agitating editors on talk pages, why don't you write a useful article? I'm working on two different articles now, and have been staying busy editing main articles, so I really don't need to be wasting my time arguing about something neither of us can change at this point in time. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 16:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
:::::::That's not a very good argument since your goal is to actually remove Islamophobia from wikipedia. Wikipedia is not censored. Editors can get pissed about it's inclusion. That can not on the basis of original research remove it. There's no basis that you have offered that justifies it's removal. Here's a positive suggestion for you- If you do not want editors agitating you on the talk page by commenting on your comments then don't comment on a talk page. You are one that came here on May 9th adding further comment. Irrelevent comment. You might have well just quoted [[WP:IDL]]. Write a useful article? I'll just stick editing articles and discussing issues on the talk pages. I strongly suggest you do not make any changes in Islamophobia related articles to pursue the goal you have outlined above about your desire to Push POV.[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 21:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::::I am free to express my views on this page the same as anyone else. The fact that you are "strongly suggesting" that I not edit any Islamophobia related articles is intimidation, so be careful not to get yourself blocked. [[WP:HAR]] [[WP:HOUNDING]] <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.1em 0.1em 0.4em,#F2CEF2 -0.4em -0.4em 0.6em,#90EE90 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#E6FFFF"><b>[[User:Atsme|AtsmeWills]]</b></font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"> talk</font>]] 21:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::I wouldn't get banned for that because that is not something I've said. You can edit as many Islamophobic articles as you like. You can't however make the disruptive edits you are promoting. Wiki hounding? Harrassment? Do tell? How am I hounding you by responding to you responding to me?[[User:Serialjoepsycho|Serialjoepsycho]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 23:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


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Restructuring and Updating Racism in the United States

Hello! I am Regina Leslie, a student at Rice University. I intend to make extensive structural changes and contextual updates to the article Racism in the United States, as a cumulative assignment in my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course.

I have found that the current page is comprehensive, yet disorganized. As forms of discrimination continually evolve with transforming societal norms, I will provide a thorough understanding of the historical context, consequences, and systemic responses to this concept. Thus, I aim to provide a holistic and succinct summary of racial discrimination in the United States. My additions will be supplemented by reputable research, as accessed through Rice University.

Feel free to provide suggestions for improvements! I honestly will deeply respect and appreciate all thoughtful input!

jeanygina (talk) 20:00, 08 October 2013

Nomination of Ashkenazi intelligence for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ashkenazi intelligence is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashkenazi intelligence (5th nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article..

Decrease of racial segregation in the USA

Here is a WSJ article about a Manhattan Institute report which says that in 2012 USA cities are more integrated than at any time since 1910, and that (as paraphrased by the WSJ) "All-white neighborhoods in U.S. cities are effectively extinct, according to the report."[1]

Reverse discrimination Definition.

If I gave this article's definition of Reverse Discrimination on a Social Psycholgy exam I would have failed. I was taught that Reverse Discrimination has nothing to do with Majority or minority status. Reverse Discrimination is discimination against one own group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.225.0.178 (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good guess but no. Reverse Discrimination is discrimination against groups in power. Reverse Racism is against white non-hispanic gentiles. Reverse Sexism is against Cisgender Men etc. However what you are talking about is an issue. Its known as Internal Discrimination and includes concepts such as the Self-Hating Jew or Republicans who have sex with men in public bathrooms while lobbying for anti-gay laws.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 15:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ethnic slurs

I think Template:Ethnic slurs is useless and should be removed. Please join the discussion at its talk page. --91.10.13.118 (talk) 10:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Section determined to violate WP:CANVAS and user responsible currently blocked. Eh doesn't afraid of anyone (talk) 05:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is a page Rape during the liberation of France, which mentions descrimination against African American soldiers. But some people want to hide historical shame articles. Need some opinions. See Talk:Rape during the liberation of France.Syngmung (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:CANVAS. Also, what does this have to do with discrimination? Inserting links to articles about prostitution in order to promote your own POV that this is the same as rape is NOT related to discrimination. For everyone else: please ignore this person. Xe has been inserting OR (particularly of the SYNTH variety) into numerous articles on rape and other almost entirely unrelated articles (read: adding a paragraph about rape to Invasion of Normandy#Dramatizations), and inserting links to completely unrelated articles about prostitution in South Korea. These edits are at the very best highly offensive and inappropriate. Cheers! Eh doesn't afraid of anyone (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is the OR? Sourced contents. Eh doesn't afraid of anyone, the SPA comments are filled with OR without reliable sources.--Syngmung (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Lamest edit wars

There is currently a discussion on the talk page for Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars about whether "lame" is an ableist term and whether the title should be changed. Gobōnobō + c 03:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source list helpful for this project

You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Anthropology and Human Biology Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human genetics and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library system at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to other academic libraries in the same large metropolitan area) and have been researching these issues sporadically since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human genetics to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-discrimination proposal to the WMF

Hi, I just wandered across your WikiProject while looking for something else, and thought you might be interested in a proposal I saw on Meta-Wiki which has to do with establishing an anti-discrimination policy on Wikimedia Foundation projects, including Wikipedia. Please be aware that the link may change soon, as the current title of this proposal is "Request for WMF board resolution on homophobia" (emphasis mine), yet it also states in the draft policy that it should apply to "discrimination against staff or volunteers on the grounds of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or perceived membership of other minority groups". I have suggested that the title should be changed to reflect this diversity. AugurNZ 09:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resegregation of U.S. Schools

I am a student at Rice University and would like to create a new Wikipedia entry entitled “Resegregation of U.S. Schools.” This would be an educational assignment for my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course. As participants in this WikiProject, do you believe that this article would be an appropriate contribution to the Discrimination WikiProject?

This article will cite the trends in school desegregation/resegregation since the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. It will then document the various potential causes of these trends including residential segregation, school choice policies, and court rulings that have reversed previous desegregation efforts. The article will then cite studies on the effects of segregated schools, including its effects on educational attainment and social wellbeing. Finally, the article will document the various policies proposed for reversing this trend (such as greater regulation of charter schools).

My sources for this Wikipedia will include articles from scholarly journals such as Education and Urban Society, the American Sociological Review, and the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management.

Any comments or feedback on this project would be greatly appreciated! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the topic but after quick GB search I concluded that it is well sourced and would be an appropriate contribution to the Discrimination WikiProject.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that there is segregation of racial minorities in some schools, as well as gender segregation, sexual orientation segregation and religious segregation. I think you could make an article if you collected enough sources.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 05:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your responses! I received some feedback on other project pages that suggested that "resegregation" could be interpreted as a non-neutral term, so I ended up creating the article School segregation in the United States instead. Right now, the article focuses primarily on contemporary segregation patterns, but I'm hoping to add more to the history portion eventually. If you have a chance to look at the article and give me feedback, I would greatly appreciate it! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help with an article?

Hey, I need some help with an article. I've created an article on Keshia Thomas, the woman in the photograph where a black woman is shielding a man thought to be a white supremacist. I would like some general help with editing the article for neutrality (you can kind of see my hero worship for her actions in the article as a whole), but I also need help in finding how I can get the photograph of the event onto the article as well. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 09:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Women by Ethnicity nominated for deletion.

Category:Women by ethnicity is being considered for deletion. Anybody interested in commenting, can do so at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_4#Category:Women_by_ethnicity.

Referendum in Croatia

I invite all interested editors to contribute in article Croatian constitutional referendum, 2013.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

discrimination in New York

I recently created the page Adam Wiercinski with the following content:

Adam Wiercinski is a Jewish resident of Manhattan who was awarded $900,000 by Brooklyn federal court in October 2013 in damages for anti-Semitic slurs he suffered for over a decade at the hand of manager Artur Zbozien (and others) of Midtown Manhattan restaurant Mangia 57 owned by Sasha Muniak. Wiercinski was taunted with crass references to the Zyklon B gas used by the Nazis during the Holocaust. His lawyer said that his supervisors would call him a ‘dirty Jew,’ and when he would say, ‘But I took a bath,’ they would laugh and say, ‘No, you still smell like Jew.’

External links

Requesting Peer Review for Evaluative diversity

Dear WikiProject: I think the Evaluative diversity page is in the scope of the discrimination project (please let me know if it isn't). I'd really appreciate some help with it--writing tends to discriminate by aiming at an audience with certain evaluative orientations (and not with others), so this is a particularly challenging article to edit without being hypocritical. I think the best strategy is to find diverse editors. If the article reaches high quality, I'd like to submit a Wikipedia:Did you know about the fact that discrimination against particular evaluative orientations makes victims not only of humans but of decision-making computers as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langchri (talkcontribs) 05:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article mentions discrimination, so I guess its within the scope of this project. It is strange that GBS of ""Evaluative diversity" discrimination" has zero hits.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:16, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is in scope, could someone please add the Template:WikiProject_Discrimination and assess its importance to WikiProject Discrimination. WikiProject Philosophy assessed it first, and I don't think WikiProject Philosophy is a very good fit (philosophers may deal with this topic in the future, but philosophy has been ignoring it, or assuming that all but one type is inferior, for centuries). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langchri (talkcontribs) 19:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heterophobia RfD

A discussion that may be of interest to members of this project is taking place at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 December 9#Heterophobia. - MrX 00:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the term antisemite in lede

There is a dispute over the use of the term antisemite in the lede of Eustace Mullins. Contributions welcome at the talk page.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New Article: Structural Violence in Haiti

Hello! I am a student at Rice University and am currently a member of a class on Poverty, Gender, and Human Capabilities. One of our assignments is to produce a Wikipedia contribution. I am currently working on a contribution regarding structural violence in Haiti and I just want to share a bit more on my planned contribution and to receive any comments and advice that you might have.

I will be creating a new entry on structural violence in Haiti and would just like to share a bit on the outline that I have. For my article, I will begin with a definition of “Structural Violence” and its relevance in Haiti. I will then elaborate on how different axes of oppression, specifically gender, race (ethnicity), and socioeconomic status, negatively influence the level of structural marginalization. I will then move on to cover some of the major impacts of Structural Violence. Currently, I have identified four major impacts: Poverty, Education, Access to Healthcare, and Health Outcomes. Immediately following impacts, I will cover the factors that have resulted in Structural Violence in Haiti. Following a description of the causes, I will then discuss some of the measures that are currently being taken to address Structural Violence.

I believe that my entry will be a useful contribution to the Wikipedia community because it sheds light on the reality that multi-level structural barriers exist within societies that prevent the underprivileged from receiving the same amenities that the more privileged do. Instead of simply attributing a lack of basic human rights/needs to poverty or poor infrastructure, my article will demonstrate that disparity is a result of a multitude of factors ingrained within society—including culture, political entities, racism, and sexism, all of which converge to form a barrier to a select few.

To craft my article, I plan on drawing upon a multitude of works, mostly from the fields of Anthropology, Sociology, and Medical Anthropology. Someone in particular who has done much work on structural violence in Haiti is Dr. Paul Farmer. I will be heavily referencing his works, but wonder if you might have any other advice on sources to pursue, particularly those that reference discrimination in Haiti? I want to be cautious of over referencing Dr. Farmer’s works, as well as relying on sources where structural violence is not the primary focus. Do you know of any sources or works that I should consider pursuing?

Because my Wikipedia contribution will specifically address inequity in Haiti, I thought that it would be fitting to reach out the Discrimination project page. I would appreciate any feedback in regards to information on groups that might experience discrimination in Haiti, or if there are certain people—women or indigenous peoples per se—that are at a greater risk of experiencing discrimination in Haiti? Or, on the other hand, if there are certain global countries or communities that outwardly discriminate against Haiti or refuse to give aid to Haiti?

Thanks in advance for any insight that you might give!

Sarah.heberlig (talk) 06:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Newly expanded article: Shadism

Hello, I'm User:Shaina390. As part of a grad school project that requires me to either write or greatly expand a stub on a certain topic, I chose the topic of Shadism. I chose this topic because it is one that I have noticed in my own family since I was a child, as well as witnessed very strongly in the media. I am currently enrolled in a course on Black Feminist Thought, and in part because of my own lived experiences, I find this topic to be extremely prevalent, and one that many do not even realize exists. I'm looking for constructive criticism on how to make my page better. If you have time I'd love your feedback, and ideas for new additions to the page. Thank you!--Shaina390 (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good topic. Although, I just spotted Discrimination based on skin color, which appears to be the same subject. I was getting ready to include information on the Brown paper bag test and the concept of passing, but then I noticed the second article. What you could do is merge the two articles. Both appear to have important information. :-) Bali88 (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is a minor thought, but I have long thought about the fact that a form of shadism occurs in caucasian populations, although to a lesser degree. I spotted some article about how one of the criteria adoptive mothers were looking for in egg donation candidates was "tanability". The tanning thing in caucasian populations really hasn't been around very long (coco chanel started the whole thing, but it seems to have caught on). Prior to that, it was paleness that was very admired, because it meant you didn't have to work outside. It makes me think that it's a much more universal, pervasive, innate, and ancient phenomenon than we realize. hmmm. Need to research this. Bali88 (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Study on stereotypes defining race

I found:

WhisperToMe (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"La" baby names

I was working on the African-American names article and during my research I came across a line in a book that claims that the "La" trend came about in New Orleans years ago with the creole population. The book said that the children of black mothers and french fathers would be given names with "La" in front of them. So like, the mixed race son of a man names Jean would be named LaJean. It's a helluva lead if it's true, but it sounds like an urban legend and I'm unable to come up with anything on google. Any searches that include "New Orleans" and "La"...La is short for Louisiana. Doesn't exactly work. Has anyone ever heard this? Bali88 (talk) 05:44, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What's the book, and does the book attribute the statement to anything, e.g. in a note of some sort? If so, what is it? If not, it's bullshit.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 06:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Baby Names Now: From Classic to Cool--The Very Last Word on First Names. It has a big list of sources at the end, but no definitive citation that tells which source it came from. If you google the title and LaKeisha, it should pop up with that page in google books. Also...they listed "la" as a "suffix" for the work LaKeisha. Um... Bali88 (talk) 06:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That book looks worthless and their list of sources looks worthless too. It's a bunch of other baby name books and I bet they all citing each other in a big circle. The theory is kind of too catchy to be true, anyway. I'll look into it in some anthropology databases soon. Do you have JSTOR access? If you ever want to find out what's going on here, you'll have to stay away from baby name collections. They're not helpful in any way and I've long suspected they make up a lot of stuff.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:02, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, it's too late at night for me to get into it now, but I'm going to get some serious sources to you soon. Do you have someplace I can upload PDFs to?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting:
There is some evidence that La- has been used to make a feminine form of a
masculine name. Pyles (1959) mentioned La Carland La Bruce;Kotlowitz (1991)
interviewed a LaJoe (named after her uncle) in a Chicago housing project. LaJoe's
niece D'won and her husband Demetrius named their children Demetia, Demetrius,
Jr., Demond, Demeca, and Desmond. LaJoe's sisters were named LaVerna and
LaGreta. It appears that within families a common initial may be used for children.
This kind of preference could not be determined in our data. Besides their given
names, the children in Kotlowitz's book all also had nicknames, another interest-
ing topic for research in the "fancy talk" tradition mentioned by Dillard (1972).
From http://www.jstor.org/stable/455774 There are plenty of other more serious sources than the ones you've been using. If you don't have JSTOR let's talk about a PDF exchange.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I definitely wasn't going to trust that one book as some sort of definitive source, but sometimes they lead you in the right direction. I've gotten a couple of journal articles off of JSTOR for that article. Naming research is not easy to find. It's interesting that you bring up "serious sources". Someone put a tag on the article saying that it relies too much on primary sources, so I thought maybe I quoted too many journal articles! I'm still pretty new to wikipedia so when someone puts a tag on my work I'm not sure what to do with it (especially when they slap up a tag and never return to tell me how to fix it! Gah!). The baby name wizard and the "Beyond" books are detailed analyses of naming strategies and they have compiled and referenced a lot of research studies, which is why I used it as much as I did.
A good technique for that kind of templating is to go to the actual page of the tag and read the documentation. Most of them and all the hardcore ones explain how they're supposed to be used, and they almost universally say they're supposed to be used in conjunction with opening a discussion on the talk page. Thus if they just zip by, drop a tag, and leave, you can just remove it with an edit summary of "per template documentation" or something. If anyone complains about that at least you can force them into a discussion, and if they don't you get the tag off your page...— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestion! Bali88 (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't heard the thing about the feminine form. My own theory of how it came into use is that it's the same way other surname names came into use. These surname names were used by the lower to middle classes because they sounded super fancy and upper class. In New Orleans, the French were sort of the upper class in the area and they would hear surnames like LeDune or Lafontaine and they modeled the names after them. Of course this is just speculation and I have nothing to back it up. Bali88 (talk) 07:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The N word

Working on a crime article that is assumed to be a racially motivated crime. A key witness reported that her neighbors called her a "N... lover" for cooperating with police. I felt like the quote is fairly important to demonstrating the problems investigating the case. I got the official answer that wikipedia isn't censored, but of course, just because it's not strictly forbidden doesn't mean it's necessarily going to sit well with people. I know there is a specific entry for the word, but in other contexts, is it typically written out? So far I haven't seen any other examples to guide what is normally done. Bali88 (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's fine if it's in a quote. See here for an example that's been in the article for at least a couple years: Greenwood,_Mississippi#1962.E2.80.931965.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Is it acceptable to censor it? I myself am not entirely comfortable putting it in an article. Is anyone going to say something if I write an N and a bunch of stars? Bali88 (talk) 19:33, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why not. It should be up to you if you're writing the article. If someone objects we'll hash it out on the talk page, as usual.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit it like that. Someone might say something. It doesn't matter if they do. Follow your own morals. If they don't like it they can change it.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Islamophobia

This Template links to this article. This wikiproject is linked to both as such I wanted to bring an issue to you that I put on the talk page of each. In the article nothing written connects the Group to Islamophobia. As such the template I feel is acting as a rubber stamp to make an unverified claim. I suggest one of two options:

  • 1- The template is removed from the talk page and the article is removed from the template.
  • 2- This connection of Islamophobia is written in the article along with all of the apropriate sources.

Either of these two options would bring this article up to at least a minimal standard of quality that it doesn't have as is.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the fact it targets mostly Muslim groups could warrant it as Islamophobic. However I definitely think that more sources and examples should be added.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the word Islamophobia is blatantly discriminatory, judgmental, and POV, and should not be used at all, especially for a template that links articles to a "Series on Islamophobia". To begin, Islamophobia is a neologism that has not been accepted into mainstream language because it is as racist and discriminatory as what the label itself attempts to define. In fact, the word Islamophobia was recently nixed from the AP Stylebook, a writing style guide that's widely used by journalists and other writing professionals. The reason they gave was "-phobia, "an irrational, uncontrollable fear, often a form of mental illness" should not be used "in political or social contexts." I agree, even though we are not obligated to follow the AP Stylebook. However, the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch does advise against contentious labeling, and the use of weasel words, WP:POVNAME, and WP:NDESC. Islamophobia is clearly contentious. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Editors have been adding Islamophobia labels on organizations they unilaterally determine to be critical of Islam, which is subjective labeling, and blatantly judgmental. It is acceptable for editors to cite a reliable source that claims an organization is Islamophobic, (example: according to [source], "x" organization is Islamophobic), but NPOV dictates that editors must also give equal weight and balance to opposing views, WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALANCE. Also, the template includes links to secondary articles that are not related to the primary article. The links are unilaterally selected to promote a cause. It is WP:PROPAGANDA considering the list links to articles about the persecution of Muslims, genocide, governmental massacres, Qu'ran burnings, and so on. Atsme talk 21:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The ever-changing world view of the label, "Islamophobia", is changing, as well it should. The AP Style Book discourages its use. [1] The word can best be summed up rather succinctly by the following quote: "A word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons." - Christopher Hitchens [2] I am amazed that Wikipedia is still allowing its use considering it is discriminatory, contentious labeling, especially in light of current world events. Even the hard core liberal, Bill Maher, is against its use as noted in his interview with Dinesh D'Souza on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, May 9, 2014. AtsmeWills talk 15:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What do you want to call it then? Anti-Muslim Radicalization? This is the most common known term. Your ap stylebook aregument is still irrelevent. Your quote from a blog doesn't offer anything to consider. And Bill Maher? Do do tell me more about the position of an alleged islamophobic. I do see whitewashing as useful.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Serialjoepsycho: Why don't you ask the 276 Nigerian girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram fighters last month what they'd recommend. AtsmeWills talk 02:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Atsme:That actually borders a justification for Islamophobia. I'm not sure why would even remotely ask that but I'll anser. I won't ask because that would be irrelevent to this discussion. That would be like asking Lego why make blue lego's and bringing that information in to this discussion. What does this highlight exactly? Some Muslims have done bad things?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 07:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Serialjoepsycho: I'm not going to get into a word war with you. You clearly don't understand the meaning of "phobia". It's not a phobia when they really are trying to kill you, or force you to live under Sharia Law which is clearly a violation of human rights. Those people actually do exist, and those who wish to remain free, have learned how to recognize them. You call it a phobia - I call it intelligence. It's going to require a movement within WP to make the proper changes. I remain confident that it will happen. It's only a matter of time. AtsmeWills talk 20:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is what you are having is a word war. We aren't talking about the word phobia. We are talking about the word Islamophobia. If you want to start talking lingustics it would make more since to mention the suffix -phobia instead of the word phobia. This can imply hate at some point developed by fear. You will fail at your politically correct campaign on wikipedia. Be very careful not to get banned. WP:CENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. What's your proposed alternative? Do you have a word in common parlance to replace it with?
As far as the rest of your rant goes wp:soapbox Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Good luck with promoting politically correctness. No wait that is wrong... Good luck trying to censor wikipedia.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 00:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The opinions expressed about Islamophobia are pretty much split down the middle. I don't understand why it's allowed to remain under those circumstances. The fact there are so many editors who feel it's contentious and discriminatory should be enough to eliminate the label, particularly the template. Here's a positive suggestion for you - instead of agitating editors on talk pages, why don't you write a useful article? I'm working on two different articles now, and have been staying busy editing main articles, so I really don't need to be wasting my time arguing about something neither of us can change at this point in time. AtsmeWills talk 16:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a very good argument since your goal is to actually remove Islamophobia from wikipedia. Wikipedia is not censored. Editors can get pissed about it's inclusion. That can not on the basis of original research remove it. There's no basis that you have offered that justifies it's removal. Here's a positive suggestion for you- If you do not want editors agitating you on the talk page by commenting on your comments then don't comment on a talk page. You are one that came here on May 9th adding further comment. Irrelevent comment. You might have well just quoted WP:IDL. Write a useful article? I'll just stick editing articles and discussing issues on the talk pages. I strongly suggest you do not make any changes in Islamophobia related articles to pursue the goal you have outlined above about your desire to Push POV.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am free to express my views on this page the same as anyone else. The fact that you are "strongly suggesting" that I not edit any Islamophobia related articles is intimidation, so be careful not to get yourself blocked. WP:HAR WP:HOUNDING AtsmeWills talk 21:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't get banned for that because that is not something I've said. You can edit as many Islamophobic articles as you like. You can't however make the disruptive edits you are promoting. Wiki hounding? Harrassment? Do tell? How am I hounding you by responding to you responding to me?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral notice of RfC on Investigative Project on Terrorism

Is here:Talk:Investigative_Project_on_Terrorism#RFC:_Does_the_use_of_the_Islamophobia_template_in_this_article_violate_wikipedias_policy_on_NPOV.3F.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in Guam

The article Racism in Guam is currently up for deletion. As is, the article isn't going to cut it, but I think the topic could find a good home on wikipedia if someone rewrote it. Is anyone interested in taking on the challenge? Bali88 (talk) 23:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Input in the discussion here would be appreciated. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 20:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss about ths article

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human rights of ethnic minorities in China Hireagathe (talk) 06:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Jordan, Miriam. "Segregation Hits Historic Low." The Wall Street Journal. January 31, 2012.