Talk:Charlotte

Requested move 20 December 2014

Charlotte (disambiguation) → Charlotte – Charlotte currently redirects to Charlotte, North Carolina. There has been a bit of a discussion in 2008 and 2013 at Talk:Charlotte. I agree with Infovarius, that the city is hardly known to most non Americans and the given name would be the most likely subject which these users would expect to find. As virtually all American cities already have the format City, State it seems logical to turn Charlotte into a disambiguation page. Inwind (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

• Suport per nom, first thing I think of is the female name, second is Charlotte Motor Speedway, which isn't in Charlotte NC, it's in Concord. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support – I see no good primarytopic claim here. Dicklyon (talk) 17:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and related discussions (Talk:Raleigh (disambiguation), Talk:Bellingham (disambiguation), etc.). There is no factual basis to the assertions in the nomination--sure, most U.S. cities are at the "City, State" title, but in many, many cases, the base name "City" redirects there (Little Rock, Memphis, Missoula, Austin...). "First thing I think of" is actually not a criterion for determining primary topic on Wikipedia; page views and long-term significance are. This major U.S. metropolitan area got 163089 pageviews over the last 90 days. The given name? 7033. And no case has been made that any of these other topics even comes close to challenging the largest city in the Carolinas for educational significance. Red Slash 18:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

  May be the city got more pageviews because the redirect leads there? Infovarius (talk) 07:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

  Almost certainly, and that is a good point; the redirect doubtlessly gives a couple of mistaken pageviews a week at least. But of the 14298 times in the last 90 days that Charlotte itself has seen a hit, most of them come from the over 500 links in articlespace to Charlotte, (virtually?) all of which expected to get the North Carolina city. Just like people link UK rather than [[United Kingdom|UK]], people do the same for Charlotte. Red Slash 21:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

  Page views for a redirect are counted separately from that of the target in the statistics. older ≠ wiser 12:14, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose As there are no other entities approaching the page views of Charlotte, then the page should stay as is. I note that if you look at Charlotte (given name) it is more or less a disambiguation page anyways, noting different people using the feminine version of Chuck. In response to Charlotte Motor Speedway not being in Charlotte, Baltimore-Washington International Airport is neither in Baltimore nor Washington, to which page should we disambiguate to clear this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.65.196.20 (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Baltimore-Washington contains the airport, so is not like Charlotte at all. Further, the Charlotte Motor Speedway is highly prominent. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 00:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
    • By the same logic, Charlotte also contains the speedway. older ≠ wiser 00:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Baltimore-Washington is not Baltimore or Washington, D.C. though, so unlike Charlotte, it is the conurbatino of two centers -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
        • That's not really relevant though. Baltimore-Washington is a metropolitan area just as the Charlotte metro area. older ≠ wiser 14:07, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's clear which Charlotte is the primary topic, and it's the North Carolina city. -- Calidum 02:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. I see no evidence that challenges this good sized city as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the title "Charlotte".--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
• Comment. I believe that the page view counter is not a good indicator for this article and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is not based solely on page views but on the result of a discussion. The page view counter is useful for articles with names primarily used for places or surnames. Articles relating to widely used terms often have the disambiguation page as the primary topic. I have not done the page view count on Buffalo, but I guess there is a good chance that Buffalo, New York would be a strong contender. Inwind (talk) 10:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support. The city is definitely not the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, can you explain why? Red Slash 08:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

• It appears that the city meets primary topic pageview thresholds. Following are pageview stats for one arbitrary month for entities called simply "Charlotte" with over 1000 views:
  • Charlotte, North Carolina: 59118
  • Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (the eponym of the city): 13882
  • Princess Charlotte of Wales: 6856
  • Princess Charlotte, Duchess of Valentinois: 5507
  • Charlotte (cake): 4708
  • Charlotte, Grand Duchess of Luxembourg: 3596
  • Charlotte (given name): 2410
  • Charlotte, Princess Royal: 2069
  • Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany: 1703

—  AjaxSmack  03:19, 2 January 2015 (UTC)