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::::::Also, a followup to my hasty comment this morning, I took a look at my 'revert' a little closer, turns out the only real change was in wording and a rearranging of sections, so I have no issue with it as is, or so it seems. ―<span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px"> [[User:Padenton|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;color:#C00">Padenton</span>]]|[[User talk:Padenton|✉]] </span> 04:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC) |
::::::Also, a followup to my hasty comment this morning, I took a look at my 'revert' a little closer, turns out the only real change was in wording and a rearranging of sections, so I have no issue with it as is, or so it seems. ―<span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px"> [[User:Padenton|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;color:#C00">Padenton</span>]]|[[User talk:Padenton|✉]] </span> 04:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::::::That section is violating [[WP:NOTNEWS]] because such cautions are irrelevant, the first source[https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security] also caution against the stray dogs. 2nd paragraph has opinion from a Goan politician who is not an expert in this field. Neither any of the sources including the previous one that I have added. Such is not required because this is not a [[WP:SOAPBOX]], and not [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. So far it was only Swiss government who has actually issued a warning,[http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/6-charged-with-gang-rape-in-india-after-swiss-attacked-1.1365501] Considering how many rapes are carried out, I wonder if that warning is still dated or not, or it had been updated. Such difficulties and irrelevances shall continue to annoy and mislead the readers, that's why it is better not to have them. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 05:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC) |
::::::That section is violating [[WP:NOTNEWS]] because such cautions are irrelevant, the first source[https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security] also caution against the stray dogs. 2nd paragraph has opinion from a Goan politician who is not an expert in this field. Neither any of the sources including the previous one that I have added. Such is not required because this is not a [[WP:SOAPBOX]], and not [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. So far it was only Swiss government who has actually issued a warning,[http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/6-charged-with-gang-rape-in-india-after-swiss-attacked-1.1365501] Considering how many rapes are carried out, I wonder if that warning is still dated or not, or it had been updated. Such difficulties and irrelevances shall continue to annoy and mislead the readers, that's why it is better not to have them. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 05:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC) |
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{{Reply to|Bgwhite}} I'm afraid not, I am now not around for a few days and moderation of content is not my strong point. [[User:Worm That Turned|<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;'>'''''Worm'''''</span>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User Talk:Worm That Turned|<font color='#060'>talk</font>]]) 06:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC) |
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Rape_in_India#Legal_response took a lot of its content from ncbi.nlm.nih.gov. Rape in India#Potential abuse concerns took from [1]. Please review our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:02, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Lead
There are still problem with the lead. Prior 6 March.[2] It read probably better than how it is doing now.
- Some of the main problems with the current lead includes:
- "The National Crime Records Bureau of India suggests", there is clearly no need to attribute the obvious facts. We don't write "According to Mr. X, 2+2 is 4".
- "Indian parliamentarians have expressed concern that the majority of rape cases go unreported", isn't it worldwide concern? How it is differing from rest of the countries? It is those stats, that have shared some uncommon aspects with other countries that's why they deserve a separate mention. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- The NCRB needs to be mentioned because it is the official, most referred to source for reported rape rates. The older version too mentioned NCRB. The next sentence can be written in many different ways. The mention of "Indian parliamentarians" implies that the issue of unreported cases has attracted the attention of highest law making body in their country – so I am okay with it. M Tracy Hunter (talk) 01:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- @VictoriaGrayson - a sentence about unreported cases is significant and relevant in the lead, WP:LEAD. If the consensus is to not have "Indian parliamentarians" phrase, I am okay with it as well. M Tracy Hunter (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Another section
@M Tracy Hunter: and @VictoriaGrayson:, what you have to say for Rape in India#Tourist advisories? It violates WP:NOTNEWS, and since it is having the opinions of politicians who are not expert in this field, it is also violating WP:SOAPBOX. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm agree with OccultZone. --Human3015 09:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yup, I also agree.VictoriaGraysonTalk 12:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm agree with OccultZone. --Human3015 09:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
This seems to have been discussed before and the outcome is what is in the Wikipedia piece https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_India/Archive_1#Discussing_Consensus_about_Travel_Advisory_Writeup_and_section_re-org Why the re-hash now? PediaAcc (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Sigh, who screwed it up again? We spent so much time on that section. ― Padenton|✉ 14:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Because it was done when none of these policies were pointed now. Now we know that why this sort of content fails to be encyclopedic. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Egads OccultZone, why do you want to bring this up yet again. You, Human and everybody else agreed on the changes. NOTNEWS was brought up before. It also doesn't violate NOTNEWS and SOAPBOX. A Country (not politicians) is issuing a travel advisory and as they issue travel advisories all the time, they are experts. How does it fail NOTNEWS?
- Before this goes any further, I highly recommend you bring an outside person in to mediate this, so it doesn't go downhill like the past ones. Bgwhite (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Worm, do you have any recommendations? This is the section that led to Occult, Human, Padenton and others being blocked the first go around. I believe Occult wanted this section gone the first go around too. Bgwhite (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)3
- @Bgwhite: Slight clarification: As you stated at the time when you removed it, said block was unjustified. Thanks. :-) ― Padenton|✉ 04:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- Also, a followup to my hasty comment this morning, I took a look at my 'revert' a little closer, turns out the only real change was in wording and a rearranging of sections, so I have no issue with it as is, or so it seems. ― Padenton|✉ 04:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- That section is violating WP:NOTNEWS because such cautions are irrelevant, the first source[3] also caution against the stray dogs. 2nd paragraph has opinion from a Goan politician who is not an expert in this field. Neither any of the sources including the previous one that I have added. Such is not required because this is not a WP:SOAPBOX, and not WP:NOTNEWS. So far it was only Swiss government who has actually issued a warning,[4] Considering how many rapes are carried out, I wonder if that warning is still dated or not, or it had been updated. Such difficulties and irrelevances shall continue to annoy and mislead the readers, that's why it is better not to have them. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Bgwhite: Slight clarification: As you stated at the time when you removed it, said block was unjustified. Thanks. :-) ― Padenton|✉ 04:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- Worm, do you have any recommendations? This is the section that led to Occult, Human, Padenton and others being blocked the first go around. I believe Occult wanted this section gone the first go around too. Bgwhite (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)3
- Because it was done when none of these policies were pointed now. Now we know that why this sort of content fails to be encyclopedic. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: I'm afraid not, I am now not around for a few days and moderation of content is not my strong point. WormTT(talk) 06:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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