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Maurice Ravel

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Nominator(s): Tim riley talk 16:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

We have FAs on six French composers: Bizet, Fauré, Massenet, Messiaen, Poulenc and Saint-Saëns. I hope Ravel will be admitted to that Panthéon. The article has had the benefit of a peer review from Wikipedia's finest, to whom I am most grateful. I have enjoyed writing about Ravel – an enigmatic figure – and I hope reviewers here, and other visitors to the page, will enjoy reading about him and his music. – Tim riley talk 16:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Support Found very little fault with it during the PR, certainly meets the criteria!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup, M. le docteur! Tim riley talk 18:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Support La belle, Monsieur Tim riley. Another happy peer reviewer. Continue your good work. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 00:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Your support is much appreciated. Tim riley talk 06:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Support. Bravo! I also participated in the peer review. I read the article on three occasions then and see little need to do so again before providing my support here. "I do have one comment, about the sentence "Some of his piano music, such as Gaspard de la nuit (1908) is exceptionally difficult to play, and his complex orchestral works such as Daphnis et Chloé (1912) require skilful balance in performance." Unless I am misreading the syntax, it seems to me that there should be a comma after "(1908)" to isolate "such as Gaspard de la nuit (1908)". Syek88 (talk) 04:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

So there should be (and now is). My teachers were telling me off in the 1960s for persistently forgetting to close subordinate clauses – a habit I have never managed to break during the following fifty years. Thank you very much for your input at PR and support here. Tim riley talk 06:29, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• Comments I missed out on the peer review (if you expect me at the ball, an invitation is de rigueur) so a few comments here. Part I, I will conclude tomorrow with the music.

Lede

• ". Among his works to enter the repertoire ..." I know what you mean to say here, I'm just not sure you actually do. Is this correct in British English?
  • I'd say it's pretty standard BrEng, but would happily entertain an alternative phrasing. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Life and career

• Is Les Apaches properly italicised? I note, for example, that you do not italicise Les Six.
  • True. The sources, needless to say, are inconsistent. I have gone for non-italics for both groups. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• "The two composers became less friendly " Wasn't much there to begin with, judging by what you've said.
  • Redrawn. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• " the couple took Ravel on a seven-week cruise on their yacht in June and July 1905, the first time he had travelled abroad." possibly you should mention where they went in general terms to establish that they indeed went abroad.
  • Done. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• " the one-act comedy L'heure espagnole[n 17] was premiered in 1911" does the "was" add anything?
  • In BrEng "premiere" as a verb is almost invariably transitive; to my eye "it premiered" looks a bit alien. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• Possibly a footnote should be dropped from Ravel's prediction about the premiere of The Rite of Spring in case the reader does not know what occurred.
  • Indeed. Done. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• "He appeared with most of the leading orchestras in Canada and the US from coast to coast and visited twenty-five cities" I might cut "from coast to coast" as it leads to mild ambiguity (did all those orchestras travel with him) and 25 cities are enough that the reader will assume a wide travel.
  • Cut. Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
• It might be worth mentioning where the premiere of Bolero took place.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:16, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Done. Looking forward to your second batch. (Your invitation must have gone astray: it was in an email dated 2 April.) Tim riley talk 10:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• Very true. I absorbed the information about Asquith but failed to take in that on Ravel. Very sorry. Your rephrasing and explanations look fine. I should have the remainder tonight.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Resuming

• "he made sketches for it in 1898–89" Ahem.
  • Quite so! Duly amended. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• "written for his unsuccessful entries for the Prix de Rome" the fors, doubled, are mildly unpleasing.
  • Redrawn. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• There is one unitalicised use of "Miroirs", in parens for some reason.
• "technically secure player" This seems to beat around the bush a bit. Perhaps "more skilled" or "more adept"?
  • Done. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Cannot more be said about Bolero? That is the one that people have heard of, after all. Possibly in the legacy section? Mentioning its considerable popularity? Satisfying readers expectations and all that.
  • I've added two sentences in the Life section and some more in the Music section.

That's all I have, well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for those points. All attended to – satisfactorily, I hope. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Support Indeed.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Wehwalt, for your input here and for your support. Greatly appreciated. Tim riley talk 10:56, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done

• Suggest including country or state for unfamiliar locations in Sources
  • Done. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Should italicize Grove Music Online and The Oxford Companion to Music
  • I don't usually italicise the former, feeling it to be more a publishing department than the title of a work, but have no strong objection, and have done as you suggest. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• FN64 missing comma, same with 193, 195, check for others
  • Done, and checked for others. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• FN73 is using commas where it should use parentheses, also 185
  • Attended to. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
• Be consistent in whether multi-author works include both authors in short cites
  • I've added Audel to the Poulenc cite, but not the two named translators of the Jankélévitch and Nectoux books.
• Missing bibliographic details for Schonberg, Henson. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Good grief! Thank you for spotting those omissions. Now speedily repaired. Grateful as always for your keen eye. – Tim riley talk 08:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Support: Read it at peer review, all my points satisfactorily resolved – tried hard to find a few more to raise here, but couldn't. I'm glad someone is still writing top-quality composer articles, and this is fit to stand with the best of them. Brianboulton (talk) 18:55, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much, BB, for those kind words, for your input at PR and for your support here. All greatly valued. Tim riley talk 20:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Support. My few comments were dealt with at PR, and a further read-through from me shows no additional problems: indeed, the article has been strengthened since then. - SchroCat (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I am in your debt for your input at PR and your kind comments and support here. Thank you, SchroCat! Tim riley talk 19:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Image review

• File:Maurice_Ravel_1925.jpg: for the given tag, "Reasonable evidence must be presented that the author's name (e.g., the original photographer, portrait painter) was not published with a claim of copyright in conjunction with the image within 70 years of its original publication". Nikkimaria (talk) 06:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Note added to file. It is the practice of the Bibliothèque nationale de France to identify and credit photographers of pictures in its archive when it can do so (see this one – click on "Detailed information", top right) but it has been unable to do so in this case. Tim riley talk 07:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Note -- strong support and checks complete but as it's only been open a week I'd like to give the review another few days to see if anyone else would like to comment. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for another really good article which is very worthy description of this wonderful composer. I cound't find anything to comment on, and I support this nomination. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 18:10, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

That is very kind of you, mon général. I put a very high value on your opinion of anything to do with French music. Tim riley talk 18:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)