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Verkeerder Kill

• ... that it is not known why the Verkeerder Kill (pictured) in Shawangunk, New York, got a name that means "wrong brook" in Dutch?

• ALT1:... that one woman a local historian interviewed only learned from him that the name "Kaidy Kill" for a local stream was, in fact, the shortened version of Verkeerder Kill (pictured)?
• Reviewed: Causeway Bay Books disappearances

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 20:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC).

I have concerns about the large number of similar articles that have been sent here over the last year or so. This article is cited almost entirely by examinations of maps and/or gazetteers, and the only other source is a collection of works on local place names. I'm not sure this meets NOTE, and this is one of the few that has anything like an external reference. My street is on many maps as well, and even appears in the local newspaper, but that doesn't make it NOTE. What is the bar here? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

All named natural features are notable (at least when that name appears on official government maps, as this one does). That seems to have been the consensus ever since I can remember (and I can remember over a decade back). If you want to express doubts about this, please do so in a more general forum than the review of a specific DYK nomination. As it is, I feel like you have singled this one out for no reason in particular, and it feels almost personal. Daniel Case (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I will confirm Daniel Case's reading of WP:GEOLAND that named geographical features are assumed to be notable, provided that enough can be written about them. As that certainly seems to be the case here, I will suggest Maury Markowitz to bring the more general concern to WT:DYK or a similar page, as this particular page involves an individual DYK nomination that will not change anything about the supposed "large number of similar articles" put through the DYK nomination process.

While I'm at it, let me provide a review: this article is new enough and long enough. The QPQ is done and the hook checks out, provided that I accept its source in good faith - which I will do. No copyvio noted on either images or the article. The one concern I did have was that I've never heard anyone refer to a river as a kill, which is strange since my native tongue is Dutch and I hear people speak the language all the time. A small bit of researching I just did taught me that 'kille' is actually a word from Middle Dutch which has fallen out of favour over the course of the centuries, so I'm not going to dispute the book source on this. The original hook therefore checks out. ALT1 is about a local historian who nobody will care about, so I'm going to strike that one.

All in all, let's send this on its merry way!—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 21:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)