Talk:The Hunger Games

Too much text in the introduction

I don't care how well the novels did (that's some disgusting advertisement that doesn't belong on Wikipedia), I just want to know what this series is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

The Hunger Games is not "science fiction" as indicated. It is "fantasy." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pfaithfull (talk • contribs) 15:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"Fantasy" implies some supernatural elements, and HUNGER GAMES has none. All of the unusual elements are said to be created by future science or technology. That would make HUNGER GAMES science fiction. 73.137.170.88 (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

It is actually science fiction.Please click my username to check out my page and my talks! Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 22:07, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Change second sentence

The second sentence currently describes the series as following "young characters Katniss Everdeen and Peeta Mellark". It should be something like "tells the story of the young woman Katniss Everdeen" or "follows Katniss Everdeen's struggles to survive under the oppression of the Capitol". The series is about Katniss, with all three books being told entirely from her perspective. Peeta is merely a supporting character; he ends up being important to her life, but so are Gale, Primrose, Haymitch, and various other characters. We see nothing of his life beyond what Katniss sees, while she has plenty going on that doesn't involve him. There's no justification for giving him equal billing. 118.90.52.143 (talk) 21:35, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Change lead sentence

It is important that this page clearly points out that the first novel and the trilogy have the same name. I suggest the lead sentence be changed to:

"The ass Games is the first novel in Suzanne Collins' trilogy of the same name." - LaTeeDa (talk) 04:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I made a quick fix on this page-- all of which should be migrated to The Hunger Games (franchise) to avoid confusion. And I am not sure why an explanation of the books is here without other items in "the franchise". HullIntegrity (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I disagree, The Hunger Games is like Battlestar Galactica, The Muppets, Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, and Transformers, when people use the name, they're usually referring to the franchise a whole. Charles Essie (talk) 17:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Charles Essie. The name is primarily used to refer to the franchise, and a person referring to the book would explicitly or contextually qualify the reference accordingly. bd2412 T 18:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The page should be called 'the hunger games series' instead to save confusion because I keep getting confused thinking this is the page for the actual book as it is at the top of the list! The book is called 'the hunger games (book)' and the film is called 'the hunger games (film)' why can't this be called 'the hunger games series' to save me and other people from getting confused? I mean how hard is it? also it's just plain common sense to amend the name slightly to help! Lavinder111 (talk) 11:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Hunger Games which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 00:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.141.3 (talk) 00:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Clicking on the link keeps you here; so I guess the move happened. Right? -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 06:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it happened a while ago. Charles Essie (talk) 15:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Why was it moved to the same place as it was already in it makes no sense! Lavinder111 (talk) 11:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Picture

What I was meaning by a picture missing is that there is still not any picture of anything to do with The Hunger Games. This article is ranked 247th in the Wikipedia traffic and is still not good. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Map

The Panem map on the French version of this site has a huge mistake -- District 11 is placed in Canada, while CATCHING FIRE said its climate was warmer than District 12's, and its culture is implied to be similar to the pre-Civil War southeastern US. I'm putting the complaint here because I don't know French well enough to phrase the criticism on the French site.73.137.170.88 (talk) 03:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The map the IP user above mentions is Carte de Panem in WM Commons which seems to be inaccurate and Original Research. District 12 should be where 9 in that map is located (Appalachia). Presumably, 11 should be south of 12. The capitol should be in the western Rockies (likely somewhere in the Pacific time zone, not in the eastern Rockies). Where the map has 9 (in the Appalachian mountains) would be a horrible primary location to grow cereals. Overall, the map doesn't make sense and screams of bad/inaccurate Original Research. Someone who is decent with French should challenge the existence of the picture in the Wikimedia Commons. The file is currently being used on eight Wikipedia pages. — al-Shimoni (talk) 11:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible merge with The Hunger Games trilogy

So there was a template added to this talk page today about how this article is ranked 247th in Wikipedia traffic. That's an issue given the current look of this page. I was pondering expansion by looking at Harry Potter, a well written and sourced article that's attained GA status. That article is primarily about the book series, with additional information about the cultural impact, themes, film adaptations and other things about the Harry Potter book series (and topic) as a whole. Got me thinking, isn't that what this article should be about? And in that case, wouldn't we be almost copying exactly The Hunger Games trilogy article? The Harry Potter series doesn't have a separate article for the book series... it's all included in the series' main page, Harry Potter, and I see no reason why this series should be treated any differently... especially since that series has 7 books and this series has only 3. Looking for some other's input here. Gloss 07:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I read some website and it says 247th in the English Wikipedia. By the way, you may vote for support in WP:TAFINOM. Today's Articles for Improvement is a WikiProject that aims for much better articles. Click that other link to go there to vote! Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

However, that is still a lot. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

This discussion is about a merge. Merging would add a lot to the article, so I'm not sure it needs to be improved per se, as the information that should be in this article already exists in another article and can be copied over if others agree to the merge. Gloss 07:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I would agree to a merge with The Hunger Games trilogy. The article needs to be redirected, merged or seriously expanded; I tried to expand it a bit a while back but such a commonly viewed article needs to be much better than Start class. The Harry Potter GA is probably a good format to copy. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 12:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

If there is going to be a merger, I would suggest that it be under the name The Hunger Games instead of The Hunger Games trilogy. I would also suggest that the article have good coverage of the whole franchise and not just the novels. Charles Essie (talk) 14:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The merge tags say to merge the trilogy article into this one [under the name The Hunger Games] and I agree with them. I'm sure we could expand and rewrite the trilogy content to more heavily feature the films (and mention soundtracks etc.), but it's a much better starting point than just the content currently in here and means we don't have two articles with highly overlapping content. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 16:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

- Query Does not Harry Potter have different pages for the books and films? That is what I am seeing. Or perhaps I am missing the point of the comparison because I think that is the model to follow. HullIntegrity^\ talk / 17:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

First, yes Charles Essie as Bilorv said, I'm looking to have The Hunger Games trilogy merged into this article, The Hunger Games (turning the trilogy article into a redirect). And HullIntegrity, Harry Potter has one article which is about the books and makes mentions of the films, sound tracks, themes, world impact, etc. It's all in one main article about the book series, Harry Potter. It also has an article on the Harry Potter films, which is located at Harry Potter (film series). In this case, we would still also have an article for The Hunger Games (film series) as it currently exists and would be untouched in this merge. Gloss 18:27, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I get it now. HullIntegrity^\ talk / 18:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• Star Wars is also a good guide for how to do an article on a work with installments in different media. bd2412 T 18:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Given it's been a few days without any opposition, and this seems fairly uncontroversial, I hope nobody minds if I begin this merge relatively soon. Gloss 21:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

• How about add a picture of a person holding up the The Hunger Games 3-finger gesture? Also add more pictures of some relevant pictures related to this article? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Improvements for article

It is quite nice because we have improved the article, as July 2014's edition of this article is very undeveloped, while March 2015's edition has a lot more prose than usual. By the way, I would like to have this section of the talk page to ask what to improve. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok if you say so I will just leave you to it then! Good luck with getting people to comment on what to change/update it could be a challenge as it is right at the bottom so people have already commented to let this down heart you though Qwertyxp2000. By The Way nice user name ;-) Lavinder111 (talk) 11:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think we could have greater coverege on the franchise's pop culture influence. All we currently have is a small section on it's influence on the post-coup Thai anti-government protests. The pop cultural influence of The Hunger Games extends beyond that. Charles Essie (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2015

Markup	The series is set in [[The Hunger Games universe|''The Hunger Games'' universe]]
Renders as	The series is set in The Hunger Games universe

to either

Markup	The series is set in the [[The Hunger Games universe|''Hunger Games'' universe]]
Renders as	The series is set in the Hunger Games universe

or

Markup	The series is set in the [[The Hunger Games universe|''The Hunger Games'' universe]]
Renders as	The series is set in the The Hunger Games universe

so we’re not using part of the title as a part of grammar. Say it’s “set in the X universe” rather than “set in X universe.”

Also, italicize “Hunger Games” (but not “The”) in the beginning of the third paragraph. 174.141.182.82 (talk) 07:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Seems correct the way it is, can you show some evidence that this isn't proper English to do it this way? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 10:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay… does anyone contend that it’s proper English to say “The series is set in X universe” rather than “The series is set in the X universe”?

@Technical 13: At least italicize the title in the third paragraph: ''The Hunger Games'' universe is …. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Partly done: Yes, I've italicized that. The contention is that “X = The Hunger Games” so “The series is set in X universe” expands to “The series is set in The Hunger Games universe” which already includes "the". You can't take "The" out of X, and it isn't appropriate to do the The (which there is actually a bot that goes around and would strip the extra "the" anyways). — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

The “The” in “The Hunger Games” is part of the title, though, and carries no grammatical meaning outside of that. But I’ll wait and see what kind of answers I get at WT:MOS. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 15:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2015

Change: "Haymitch advises Katniss to play along and feign feelings for Peeta, in order to gain wealthy sponsors who can gift them supplies during the Games."

to: "Haymitch advises Katniss to play along and feign feelings for Peeta, in order to gain wealthy sponsors who can give them gifts of supplies during the Games."

Rationale: One gives a gift. One does not "gift." (source: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/12/gifting-is-not-a-verb/383676/)

72.210.26.225 (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done. The phrase "gift" can be used both as a noun and a verb; as a verb meaning "to give a gift". The provided "source" is an opinion blog on the relative value of using the phrase "to gift". --Izno (talk) 22:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2015

Change "the series is set in the hunger games universe" to "the series is set in Panem" or something similar. Saying "[The hunger games] is set in the hunger games universe" is circular and redundant.

Also, remove "and face the results of their every action". Someone facing the results of their actions? You don't say... 110.22.123.142 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Provide a source for Panem. Also, second edit request warrant unclear.JustBerry (talk) 00:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Provide a source for what? That the hunger games is set in Panem? That's already stated in the third paragraph without a source so why is one needed here?

The warrant for the second request is that everyone faces the results of their actions everyday and so the sentence gives no more information about the series than saying "the characters do stuff and stuff happens". 110.22.123.142 (talk) 04:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I've removed it accordingly. No need to state the obvious in this case. -- Chamith (talk) 04:39, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2016

Change "follows young characters Katniss Everdeen and Peeta Mellark" to something like "tells the story of the young woman Katniss Everdeen" or "follows Katniss Everdeen's struggles to survive under the oppression of the Capitol". The series is about Katniss; Peeta is merely a supporting character. 118.90.4.105 (talk) 07:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. clpo13_(talk) 19:38, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

It's been a month with no objections. 118.90.2.180 (talk) 09:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Snow CoD

"and Snow dies by choking on his own blood while laughing"

earlier versions of this article had "possibly from choking on his own blood". The Mockingjay article, which one would expect to have more detail, not less, gives no cause or speculation at all as of October 17 2015 9:40 etc. Is this like the movie Clue, where all the editors have different versions? Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of Battle Royale similarities on this page, the author's page, and the novel's page

Seems like the Battle Royale similarities should also be on this page, but another user disagrees. Many people only go to this page, not the individual novel's page, and this page also contains content regarding the author's offered inspirations for the work, which would seemingly invite a more comprehensive account thereof. This controversy has been reported on by The New York Times, ABC News, and others. Thoughts?Gentlejackjones (talk) 00:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The identical thread has been started both here and on Talk:Suzanne Collins the author's article talk page. I will consolidate the two existing threads here. I will also leave a pointer to this thread on Talk:The Hunger Games (novel). Meters (talk) 02:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The identical material, originally containing a BLP violating statement that the author had "copied wholesale... without attribution" (sourced to non-WP:RS Buzzfeed and a blog), was introduced to the article about the series (this article), the article about the novel itself (The Hunger Games (novel)) and the article about the author (Suzanne Collins . It has now been largely replaced by the more neutral version which was already in the article about the novel The_Hunger_Games_(novel)#Potential_plagiarism_of_Battle_Royale. Whether it should have been moved to a separate section in the article I will raise on the talk page for that article, since the separate section has already been consolidated or removed in the past. Meters (talk) 02:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe discussion of this topic should be in the article about the first novel, not the article about the series. I am assuming that the similarities apply to the first book and not to the entire series. If the similarities apply to the entire series then the material should be in this article (the series article) rather than the article about the first book. I don't think the article about the author needs the material at all. She has denied having any knowledge of the book in question, and there are sources that explain the similarities as coincidence. The sources for the controversy are mostly blogs and social media comments about the similarities, and some reliable sources commenting on the social media comments. There isn't much meat there. It can be discussed in the article about the book and left at that. I thing adding this in detail to the author's article is excessive. Meters (talk) 02:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

It's debatable that it needs to be covered at all. It was flash news that died out. It's not ongoing. Certainly doesn't need it's own section and chronologically it was just the first book. WP talks about it more than any writers or critics and we should just let it die. --DHeyward (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)