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Marriage

Hello, newbie here. Under marriage it says The endogamous tradition within the Somali clans intensified after their contact with the Arab society with increasing preference for cousin marriages. - This is not sourced and phrased in a way vague. By cousin is this the western interpretation of cousin i.e marriage between first cousins or is it the Somali interpretation of cousin(2nd/3rd/6th?). Also that sentence infers that cousin marriages (assuming first cousin) is preferred or becoming the preferred form marriage in Somali society as a whole. I only have anecdotal/personal proof as a someone who is Somali and has therefore had extensive interaction of Somali society (both in Northern Somalia and in the European diaspora) but first cousin marriage is uncommon and not the preferred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N Jama (talk • contribs) 00:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I. M. Lewis is alluding to first cousin marriage in the capital area specifically [1]. I've corrected this. Soupforone (talk) 03:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it is first cousin marriages per Lewis source. But the discussion on the cited pages is broader, and includes but does not limit to an example of Mogadishu. @N Jama: Welcome to wikipedia. Please see WP:V and other content guidelines of wikipedia. Wikipedia articles, including this one, do not blog personal opinions/ experiences/ wisdoms/ prejudices, rather they summarize what reliable sources state. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, but Lewis indicates that exogamous marriage became exceptional in areas like the capital that had clan heterogeneity. Soupforone (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Somali ethnic flag

I have reverted the addition of the flag of Somalia to the infobox, whereby it was claimed that the flag also serves as a Somali ethnic flag. Having previously added a note stating that a source would be needed for this claim, I'm not satisfied that the source provided proves that the flag is considered an ethnic flag. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, just had a look through the cited book and no where does it state the Somalia flag to be representative of ethnic Somalis. Kzl55 (talk) 18:36, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Sultan

It has been claimed that this file of an individual named Abdillahi Sultan Deria is notable, on the basis that he was apparently a clan leader and led what was claimed to be a cross-clan diplomatic representation. However, a Google search on the individual only seems to turn up a few forum posts and blogs, as well as a link indicating that he was part of an SNL delegation to the United Nations, which was led instead by another individual [2]. This fails WP:BURDEN. Soupforone (talk) 16:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note that someone doesn't need to meet the notability requirements for a standalone article for an image of them or their name to appear in another article. However, the information does need to be verified, so I agree on that point. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree on the point, Soupforone's edit seems the most sensible in this situation. CabuuwaaqWanaag (talk) 16:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 It has been claimed that [[:File:Sultan Abdillahi Sultan Deria.jpg|this]] file of an individual named Abdillahi Sultan Deria is notable, on the basis that he was apparently a clan leader and led what was claimed to be a cross-clan diplomatic representation. However, a Google search on the individual only seems to turn up a few forum posts and blogs, as well as a link indicating that he was part of an SNL delegation to the United Nations, which was led instead by another individual [https://www.google.com/books?id=39JMAgAAQBAJ&pg=RA3-PA107&lpg=RA3-PA107&dq=Abdillahi+Sultan+Deria&source=bl&ots=1A6q0tszVr&sig=nyhCUcKJsGLGgpobwmH4NMo1Y10&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia9MDmoJnZAhUEbK0KHUi_BycQ6AEIODAC#v=onepage&q=Abdillahi%20Sultan%20Deria&f=false]. This fails [[WP:BURDEN]]. [[User:Soupforone|Soupforone]] ([[User talk:Soupforone|talk]]) 16:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 :Note that someone doesn't need to meet the notability requirements for a standalone article for an image of them or their name to appear in another article. However, the information does need to be verified, so I agree on that point. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 16:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
+:I also agree on the point, Soupforone's edit seems the most sensible in this situation. [[User:CabuuwaaqWanaag|CabuuwaaqWanaag]] ([[User talk:CabuuwaaqWanaag|talk]]) 16:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)