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====Large yellow pond lily====
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*<span id="Large yellow pond lily">{{no redirect|1 = Large yellow pond lily }}</span> → [[:Nymphaeaceae]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Large yellow pond lily|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Large yellow pond lily|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Large_yellow_pond_lily&action=history history] '''·''' [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-07-27&end=2018-08-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Large_yellow_pond_lily stats])</span></span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Large yellow pond lily|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Large yellow pond lily]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Large yellow pond lily|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Large yellow pond lily]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Large yellow pond lily|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Large yellow pond lily]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</span></small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Cafe">{{no redirect|1 = Cafe }}</span> → [[:Coffeehouse]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Cafe|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Cafe|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cafe&action=history history] '''·''' [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-08-05&end=2018-09-03&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cafe stats])</span></span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Cafe|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cafe]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cafe|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cafe]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Cafe|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cafe]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</span></small>&nbsp;


Cafe is a problematic word as it appears to mean different things to different cultures, and while it appears for some people to hold a slightly different meaning to café, the two are often interchangeable, so it may be wise to discuss both terms together. Currently [[Cafe]] redirects to [[Coffeehouse]], though in some parts of the world (such as the UK), a cafe is understood to be similar to a [[diner]] or [[greasy spoon]] - it is a small, cheap, eatery, which focuses on delivering quick meals. Dictionary definitions indicate in general that a cafe is a small eatery of some sort serving food and drink, and some will mention that the eatery may serve coffee, but on the whole they don't give [[coffeehouse]] as the primary topic. Examples: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/café], [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cafe], [https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cafe], [https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cafe], [https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cafe]. Now, while in the UK, the cafe is commonly understood to be some form of cheap diner, as shown by this BBC article: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30879406], this is not a global understanding, and even in the UK, the term cafe is rather nebulous - it can mean a [[greasy spoon]] or [[diner]], but it can also mean a [[tea room]] or a [[coffeehouse]]. I am not seeing [[coffeehouse]] as the primary topic for [[cafe]], but nor am I seeing any other form of eatery as being primary. As such it appears appropriate to make [[Cafe]] a disambiguation page by moving [[Cafe (disambiguation)]] to [[Cafe]]. [I was unsure if this should indeed be a move discussion rather than a redirect discussion, but landed here as it seems this is more about which direction "cafe" should point, rather than about renaming [[Cafe (disambiguation)]] to [[Cafe]].] [[User:SilkTork|SilkTork]] ([[User talk:SilkTork|talk]]) 10:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Is this the most appropriate target? Note [[Yellow pond-lily]] redirects to ''[[Nuphar advena]]''. If it's not a recognised common name we should delete. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 09:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC) [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 09:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:Google search indicates that "large yellow pond lily" and "yellow pond lily" are both US English vernacular names for ''Nuphar advena''. UK English tends to use spatterdock for ''Nuphar advena''. So at first sight it would seem that a redirect to ''Nuphar advena'' is in order, but youall might want to check some actual statistics. UK English refers to all these plants as water-lilies, but if pond lily is treated as meaning the same large yellow pond lily would be a descriptive phrase referring to plants from ''Nelumbo'' (not Nymphaeaceae) as well as ''Nymphaea'' and ''Nuphar''; maybe even some ''Nymphoides'' (also not Nymphaeaceae) if there are any large-flowered species. [[User:Lavateraguy|Lavateraguy]] ([[User talk:Lavateraguy|talk]]) 17:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
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====Explosive sensitiser====
*<span id="Explosive sensitiser">{{no redirect|1 = Explosive sensitiser }}</span> → [[:Explosive material]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Explosive sensitiser|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Explosive sensitiser|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Explosive_sensitiser&action=history history] '''·''' [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-07-26&end=2018-08-24&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Explosive_sensitiser stats])</span></span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Explosive sensitiser|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Explosive sensitiser]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Explosive sensitiser|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Explosive sensitiser]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Explosive sensitiser|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Explosive sensitiser]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</span></small>&nbsp;

It's an implausible redirect. There is no mention of a 'sensitiser' at all in the article [[Explosive]]. [[User:Pkbwcgs|Pkbwcgs]] ([[User talk:Pkbwcgs|talk]]) 20:44, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
: Also, it was created by [[User:Neelix|Neelix]] and there is no mention of 'sensitiser' at all in the article that it is being redirected to. [[User:Pkbwcgs|Pkbwcgs]] ([[User talk:Pkbwcgs|talk]]) 20:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
* '''Retarget''' to [[Chemical explosive#Sensitiser]]. The current target does have one relevant sentence, under [[Explosive#Chemical|Chemical]]: "A sensitizer such as powdered aluminum may be added to an explosive to increase the energy of the detonation." But the section at the Chemical explosive article seems more useful. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Arms &amp; Hearts|Arms &amp; Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms &amp; Hearts|talk]]) 20:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' note that [[Sensitizer]] which is a disambiguation, would also have to be modified if it will go to Chemical explosive rather than Explosive material / Explosive. Also there is something called a "chemical sensitizer" that could be confusing. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">AngusWOOF</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 15:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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==== 4-digit redirects ====
==== 4-digit redirects ====

Revision as of 10:32, 4 September 2018

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 4, 2018.

Cafe

Cafe is a problematic word as it appears to mean different things to different cultures, and while it appears for some people to hold a slightly different meaning to café, the two are often interchangeable, so it may be wise to discuss both terms together. Currently Cafe redirects to Coffeehouse, though in some parts of the world (such as the UK), a cafe is understood to be similar to a diner or greasy spoon - it is a small, cheap, eatery, which focuses on delivering quick meals. Dictionary definitions indicate in general that a cafe is a small eatery of some sort serving food and drink, and some will mention that the eatery may serve coffee, but on the whole they don't give coffeehouse as the primary topic. Examples: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Now, while in the UK, the cafe is commonly understood to be some form of cheap diner, as shown by this BBC article: [6], this is not a global understanding, and even in the UK, the term cafe is rather nebulous - it can mean a greasy spoon or diner, but it can also mean a tea room or a coffeehouse. I am not seeing coffeehouse as the primary topic for cafe, but nor am I seeing any other form of eatery as being primary. As such it appears appropriate to make Cafe a disambiguation page by moving Cafe (disambiguation) to Cafe. [I was unsure if this should indeed be a move discussion rather than a redirect discussion, but landed here as it seems this is more about which direction "cafe" should point, rather than about renaming Cafe (disambiguation) to Cafe.] SilkTork (talk) 10:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

4-digit redirects

Delete. Recently created redirects, created semi-automatically. If a redirect were to be created at these locations, this would be the correct target, but there seems no reason to create the redirect. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Costa del Crime

Not sure if should be a redirect at all PoliceSheep99 (talk) 00:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep (and perhaps refine to Costa del Sol#Late 1970s onwards) per WP:RNEUTRAL (if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral) and its explicit mention at the target. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]