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Gaël Duval

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It has been tagged as autobiography and primary sources, since October 2019. On the Talk Kstone999 said "It looks like a WP:BLP1E case of WP:LOWPROFILE and appears as a WP:RESUME that simply outlines his professional history without any significant coverage" It was edited a lot by Caliwing, aka Indidea, confirmed promotional sockpuppets. (Sockpuppet Investigations) Most sources are either self-published, primary (indidea.org, and e.foundation), about a few projects he was involved with, interviews of other people, short mentions (e.g. of his firing from Mandriva), or not reliable (i.e. TGDaily). I note that sock and meat puppetry was a concern at [1] where both Caliwing and Indidea participated, and may be expected here. Yae4 (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Yae4 (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

• Delete We need to actually start enforcing our no autobiographies rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, qedk (t 桜 c) 11:37, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

• Delete I agree with John, and I'd add that the noteworthy information about Duval (re. his contributions to the software industry) is already included in the Mandriva Linux article. Perhaps a redirect might be appropriate, but I'm leaning towards delete altogether. Sleddog116 (talk) 14:43, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. Coverage is sufficient to be considered significant per the GNG. Note articles such as this one in Le Monde, a French newspaper of record which is about him exclusively. He is particularly notable within France and the French press [2], [3], etc. Yes, most English language media talk about him in reference to his software contributions, but this isn't an Anglocentric encyclopedia. The French coverage plus all the other coverage combined, considering his significant impact in the industry, should be enough for a decent notability claim. Best, PK650 (talk) 23:32, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

@PK650: You've confused or combined two Gael Duvals: Two sources for the wrong one, associated with JeChange and Touch Conference, and one source for the one associated with Mandrake and eelo aka e. The LeMonde source is really mostly another rehash of Mandrake and /e OS, and that author's list of articles has all appearances of being a Tech blog, similar to what we don't give much credit from Forbes or the Guardian. -- Yae4 (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

You're right about there being two people! Funny. You couldn't possibly argue Le Monde is not a reliable source, however. So the argument still stands. I didn't delve into the author's details, but the editorial integrity of the publication cannot be questioned in the manner you're implying. Not considering this as valid sigcov would be a double standard. PK650 (talk) 02:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Significant coverage in the following reliable sources: — Newslinger talk 09:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • "Gaël Duval, l’adepte de Linux qui veut libérer les smartphones" from Le Monde
  • "20 ans après Mandrake Linux, Gaël Duval présente son nouveau projet : Eelo, le smartphone libre" from Numerama

This article was created in 2004, while the earliest of the named accounts was created in 2013. — Newslinger talk 09:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Newslinger:This 2004 article start was written by someone who knew all about Duval and his homepages, and used ZERO sources. LeMonde and Numerama sources are really all about /e and Mandrake, not about Duval. -- Yae4 (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

The articles from Le Monde and Numerama also cover Duval's personal life, personal experiences, and personal motivations for developing these projects. The subject of these articles is Duval, and the coverage spans both of his projects (Mandriva Linux and /e/) as well as personal information about Duval that would be out the product articles' respective scopes. Products are not "events", and in any case, Duval developed two notable products, not one. Duval is also not a low-profile individual, as he has given interviews to notable publications including The Register (RSP entry) and BGR (Boy Genius Report), in addition to all of the news coverage cited in the Mandriva Linux and /e/ articles that include Duval's name. — Newslinger talk 14:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep Notable not just as the initiator of a major Linux distro. The sources seem good enough to pass GNG. --Slashme (talk) 10:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. It's difficult to find non-primary sources for any details about Duval himself. Only projects are detailed in secondary sources, and he's the spokesman for the project(s). -- Yae4 (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  It's non-standard for article nominators to submit a separate bolded delete !vote, since the nomination is assumed to be in favor of deletion unless you specify otherwise. — Newslinger talk 01:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)