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== Request for [[WP:IBAN]] as a measure against [[WP:HOUNDING|hounding]] and [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:Krakkos|Krakkos]] ([[User talk:Krakkos|talk]]) '''at''' 18:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Involved parties === |
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*{{userlinks|Krakkos}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{userlinks|Andrew Lancaster}} |
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*[diff of notification Andrew Lancaster] |
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;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried |
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* [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive402#User:Andrew Lancaster reported by User:Krakkos (Result: Warned user(s))]] |
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* [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Andrew Lancaster reported by User:Krakkos (Result: Both warned)]] |
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* [[User talk:EdJohnston#Hounding, continued bullying and severe personal attacks by Andrew Lancaster]] |
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=== Statement by Krakkos === |
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Andrew Lancaster and i have been warned several times against [[WP:EW|edit warring]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive402#User:Andrew_Lancaster_reported_by_User:Krakkos_(Result:_Warned_user(s))][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doug_Weller&diff=936725335&oldid=936724988][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germanic_peoples&diff=936722264&oldid=936693140] I subsequently refrained from further edit warring, while Andrew Lancaster completely rewrote the disputed page.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germanic_peoples&diff=939101948&oldid=939019357][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germanic_peoples&offset=&limit=500&action=history] Rather than fixing that page further, Andrew Lancaster has now began to [[WP:HOUND|hound]] me, and sought, through [[WP:EW|edit warring]], threats, [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] and [[WP:ASPERSIONS|casting aspersions]], to remove my contributions entirely. He's threatening my "exit from Wikipedia and the removal of all" my edits.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston#Hounding,_continued_bullying_and_severe_personal_attacks_by_Andrew_Lancaster] |
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He's been hounding me at articles he has not edited before, such as [[Early Germanic culture]][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Early_Germanic_culture&diff=941926483&oldid=941922986][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Early_Germanic_culture&diff=942055623&oldid=942055037] and [[:Category:Romance-speaking countries]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krakkos&diff=941907329&oldid=940721349][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_February_21&diff=941925794&oldid=941924667] Most recently, the same thing happened at the article [[Goths]], and i complained once more at [[WP:AN3]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Andrew_Lancaster_reported_by_User:Krakkos_(Result:_Both_warned)] [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] warned us against editing warring and personal attacks,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=942819980&oldid=942808344] and forbade us from additional editing at Goths.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=943055950&oldid=943049039] Andrew Lancaster was later specifically warned against casting further aspersions against me.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EdJohnston&diff=943138388&oldid=943077094] |
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After EdJohnson's ruling, Andrew Lancaster posted a [[WP:BULLY|bullying]] message at my talk page, accusing me of "shameless dishonesty", said that i "lie and screw others", and that he and his "community" would cause my "exit from Wikipedia" and "the removal of all" my edits.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krakkos&diff=943074739&oldid=943057458] At [[Talk:Goths]] he later calls me a "sycophantic bully boy"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=943110758&oldid=943100465] and has accused me of "hypocritical abuse".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=942916678&oldid=942916006] [[User:Jens Lallensack|Jens Lallensack]] tells him that he will not participate in a discussion characterized with such personal attacks,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=943254750&oldid=943252692][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=943265733&oldid=943265035] but Andrew Lancaster refuses to stop.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=943260737&oldid=943255956] This makes it impossible for Lallensack to continue his [[WP:GA]] review of the article, which he earlier considered in "good shape" and wanted to improve.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Goths/GA1] |
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As a result of the continued personal attacks, i post a complaint at the talk page of EdJohnston.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston#Hounding,_continued_bullying_and_severe_personal_attacks_by_Andrew_Lancaster] EdJohnston gives Andrew Lancaster another warning for his blockable personal attack, and instructs him to make a revised post without personal attacks.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andrew_Lancaster&diff=943307305&oldid=943201508] Andrew Lancaster rather makes a [[non-apology apology]], doubling down on his attacks, trivializing them as "colorful rhetoric", says that he is "willing to defend" them, and concludes that i should "just stop trying to work against WP policy".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKrakkos&type=revision&diff=943338489&oldid=943074739] He further states that he is just trying to "help Krakkos be a normal editor".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andrew_Lancaster&diff=943350800&oldid=943307305] He also states that "the recent "win" at the edit warring noticeboard is going to make Krakkos a worse editor", that " the "win" is not a real win.', and that he will "have to be far stricter and less trusting of Krakkos".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdJohnston&type=revision&diff=943336477&oldid=943311997] This suggests that the [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] behavior behavior is far from over. Even after EdJohnston's repeated warnings against personal attacks, he writes that i have "a systematic tendency to try to make false claims"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAndrew_Lancaster&type=revision&diff=943354804&oldid=943350901] and "misrepresent facts".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EdJohnston&curid=21032550&diff=943381514&oldid=943375968] |
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EdJohnston long ago considered Andrew Lancaster's personal attacks blockable,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andrew_Lancaster&diff=943307305&oldid=943201508] and has recommended me to file a complaint elsewhere.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EdJohnston&diff=943287157&oldid=943283881] The previous failure of such complaints to deal with the problem, has however convinced me that only an Arbcom ruling can effectively deal with the situation. A member of Arbcom has privately encouraged me to contact this committee. |
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The poisonous atmosphere has discouraged or driven away productive editors from editing the subject area,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Obenritter&diff=936421989&oldid=936304697][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=943254750&oldid=943252692] which is in the process of degenerating into a [[one-man show]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Germanic_peoples&offset=&limit=500&action=history] Terrified editors have contacted me about this privately, but are afraid to do it in the open, because they fear they will become the next target. I request the Arbitration Committee to review this unfortunate situation, in hope of having some sort of [[WP:IBAN]] imposed on Andrew Lancaster or even the both of us. [[User:Krakkos|Krakkos]] ([[User talk:Krakkos|talk]]) 18:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by Andrew Lancaster === |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Request for [[WP:IBAN]] as a measure against [[WP:HOUNDING|hounding]] and [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]]: Clerk notes === |
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:''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).'' |
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=== Request for [[WP:IBAN]] as a measure against [[WP:HOUNDING|hounding]] and [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]]: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0> === |
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Request for WP:IBAN as a measure against hounding and personal attacks
Initiated by Krakkos (talk) at 18:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Involved parties
- Krakkos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- Andrew Lancaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- [diff of notification Andrew Lancaster]
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive402#User:Andrew Lancaster reported by User:Krakkos (Result: Warned user(s))
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Andrew Lancaster reported by User:Krakkos (Result: Both warned)
- User talk:EdJohnston#Hounding, continued bullying and severe personal attacks by Andrew Lancaster
Statement by Krakkos
Andrew Lancaster and i have been warned several times against edit warring.[1][2][3] I subsequently refrained from further edit warring, while Andrew Lancaster completely rewrote the disputed page.[4][5] Rather than fixing that page further, Andrew Lancaster has now began to hound me, and sought, through edit warring, threats, personal attacks and casting aspersions, to remove my contributions entirely. He's threatening my "exit from Wikipedia and the removal of all" my edits.[6]
He's been hounding me at articles he has not edited before, such as Early Germanic culture[7][8] and Category:Romance-speaking countries.[9][10] Most recently, the same thing happened at the article Goths, and i complained once more at WP:AN3.[11] EdJohnston warned us against editing warring and personal attacks,[12] and forbade us from additional editing at Goths.[13] Andrew Lancaster was later specifically warned against casting further aspersions against me.[14]
After EdJohnson's ruling, Andrew Lancaster posted a bullying message at my talk page, accusing me of "shameless dishonesty", said that i "lie and screw others", and that he and his "community" would cause my "exit from Wikipedia" and "the removal of all" my edits.[15] At Talk:Goths he later calls me a "sycophantic bully boy"[16] and has accused me of "hypocritical abuse".[17] Jens Lallensack tells him that he will not participate in a discussion characterized with such personal attacks,[18][19] but Andrew Lancaster refuses to stop.[20] This makes it impossible for Lallensack to continue his WP:GA review of the article, which he earlier considered in "good shape" and wanted to improve.[21]
As a result of the continued personal attacks, i post a complaint at the talk page of EdJohnston.[22] EdJohnston gives Andrew Lancaster another warning for his blockable personal attack, and instructs him to make a revised post without personal attacks.[23] Andrew Lancaster rather makes a non-apology apology, doubling down on his attacks, trivializing them as "colorful rhetoric", says that he is "willing to defend" them, and concludes that i should "just stop trying to work against WP policy".[24] He further states that he is just trying to "help Krakkos be a normal editor".[25] He also states that "the recent "win" at the edit warring noticeboard is going to make Krakkos a worse editor", that " the "win" is not a real win.', and that he will "have to be far stricter and less trusting of Krakkos".[26] This suggests that the WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior behavior is far from over. Even after EdJohnston's repeated warnings against personal attacks, he writes that i have "a systematic tendency to try to make false claims"[27] and "misrepresent facts".[28]
EdJohnston long ago considered Andrew Lancaster's personal attacks blockable,[29] and has recommended me to file a complaint elsewhere.[30] The previous failure of such complaints to deal with the problem, has however convinced me that only an Arbcom ruling can effectively deal with the situation. A member of Arbcom has privately encouraged me to contact this committee.
The poisonous atmosphere has discouraged or driven away productive editors from editing the subject area,[31][32] which is in the process of degenerating into a one-man show.[33] Terrified editors have contacted me about this privately, but are afraid to do it in the open, because they fear they will become the next target. I request the Arbitration Committee to review this unfortunate situation, in hope of having some sort of WP:IBAN imposed on Andrew Lancaster or even the both of us. Krakkos (talk) 18:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Statement by Andrew Lancaster
Statement by {Non-party}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
Request for WP:IBAN as a measure against hounding and personal attacks: Clerk notes
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Request for WP:IBAN as a measure against hounding and personal attacks: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0>
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