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Can we really say they are far-right and fascist when their members and chairman have repeatedly stressed the pro-western, libertarian/conservative ideology of the group with an inclusive open-door membership regardless of race/sexuality and other characteristics? Just because left-leaning publications claim they are something does not make it fact.[[User:Harry-Oscar 1812|Harry-Oscar 1812]] ([[User talk:Harry-Oscar 1812|talk]]) 14:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
Can we really say they are far-right and fascist when their members and chairman have repeatedly stressed the pro-western, libertarian/conservative ideology of the group with an inclusive open-door membership regardless of race/sexuality and other characteristics? Just because left-leaning publications claim they are something does not make it fact.[[User:Harry-Oscar 1812|Harry-Oscar 1812]] ([[User talk:Harry-Oscar 1812|talk]]) 14:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:If reliable sources describe them as "far-right", then '''''we''''' describe them as "far-right. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 14:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
:If reliable sources describe them as "far-right", then '''''we''''' describe them as "far-right. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 14:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC) |
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There is no way they are a far-right neo-fascist group. Neo-fascist means white supremacy and ultranationalism. That is in no way shape, or form what the group and its founder, Gavin McInnes, stands for. McInnes describes himself as a western chauvinist, not ultranationalist nor white-supremacist. If you do some simple research on him, you will find out that he is a part of the “New-Right” movement, such as the likes of: Ben Shapiro, Andrew Breitbart, Jeanine Pirro and Donald Trump. Saying that this group is far-right and neo-fascist would be the same as saying Jeanine Pirro, a Lebanese-American, is an ultranationalist and neo-fascist. Absolutely ridiculous. Do your research on the groups views before writing a bunch of, frankly said, bullshit, commies. [[User:Ulriknicolaisen|Ulriknicolaisen]] ([[User talk:Ulriknicolaisen|talk]]) 18:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:We use [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to characterize a subject, not the subject's opinion of itself or [[WP:NOR|our own analysis]]. [[User:VQuakr|VQuakr]] ([[User talk:VQuakr|talk]]) 18:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC) |
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Proud Boys Assassination Plot
The lawyer for the Proud Boys, and its former leader, Jason Lee Van Dyke, was implicated in an assassination plot that involves an audio recording made by an undercover FBI informant in which Van Dyke is plotting the murder of a person who he is suing, and that person's lawyer. According to the news reports, Van Dyke got members of the Arizona Chapter of the Proud Boys to do surveillance on the target and obtained photographs, as well as scouted places for them to shoot at the target with rifles. I think that this needs to be added to the article. Here are the news sources: https://setexasrecord.com/stories/528081198-motion-seeks-to-dismiss-van-dyke-s-100m-defamation-suit-assassination-plot-cited and https://www.dailydot.com/debug/proud-boys-lawyer-jason-van-dyke-death-threat/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bishop1914 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Far-right?
Can we really say they are far-right and fascist when their members and chairman have repeatedly stressed the pro-western, libertarian/conservative ideology of the group with an inclusive open-door membership regardless of race/sexuality and other characteristics? Just because left-leaning publications claim they are something does not make it fact.Harry-Oscar 1812 (talk) 14:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- If reliable sources describe them as "far-right", then we describe them as "far-right. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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