User talk:Hiding

Mourning the loss of [[User:Steve block/mourning|User:Steve block/mourning]].

Archives

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• RFA Thanks archive

1. 13 April – 9 August 2005
2. 14 August – 12 November 2005
3. 13 November – 3 December 2005
4. 4 December 2005 – 7 February 2006
5. 7 February – 30 March 2006
6. 31 March – July 19 2006
7. 20 July – 10 September 2006
8. 11 September 2006 – 11 October
9. 12 October 2006 – 11 November

Thoughts

I just wanted to let you know my thoughts on something. Whether we agree on a specific topic, or not, one thing I can usually count on from you is a thought-full opinion. The recent lengthy discussion about methods of dispute resolution exemplifies that. (One of my regrets of that discussion is that ChrisGriswald's RfA occurred during it, and considering the discussion, I was hesitant to vote in it, as I wished to, since I thought it could be seen as supporting him over you. Things were confused enough as it was. I would have voted support, and explained to you, if it was necessary, but fortunately it wasn't.)

I've read some of the "burn-out" concerns of yourself and CG, and it occurs to me that you and he (being, AFAIK, the only active WP:COMIC admins) are in rather huge demand, in a venue where the contributors are not always aware of wikipedian policies/guidelines/etc. (Not to mention unfortunately fairly constant issues of incivility.) Consider also that the WikiProject talk page has pretty much become a constant series of RfCs.

On top of this. though you seem to travel some of the same pages I do, I've noted that you seem to be quite a bit more prolific. I don't have anywhere near the level of wide-spread contributions you do, especially in Project space.

Anyway, hopefully, you'll get what I'm trying to offer, my: thanks; support; etc. And the hope that you don't let this place "get you down". If there is a way that I can help, let me know. - jc37 01:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The above obviously goes for CG too : ) - jc37 01:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the words, but I went through my long night of hell ages ago and have worked out where I am with Wikipedia. And I am disappointed that you did not vote in Chris' run for admin based on how I might have interpreted it. I was one of Cris' co-nominators. You should assume I will assume you act in good faith. I do tend to think half the communication issue between us was that we were acting on our assumptions on what the other was thinking rather than on what was happening. I do think we have vastly different mindsets. That's not a bad thing, but I think it will lead to frustrations between us. Steve block Talk 13:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

  As I mentioned above, I was disappointed too : (

  I just was choosing to stay on the side of caution in, what was at the time, a seemingly confusing situation.

  As for the rest, I am not exactly certain what you mean by different "mindsets", but I do think that whatever miscommunications in the past, the more any two people interact, the less "frustration in communication" occurs.

  And I hope you understood that the "words" were sincere. They were.

  Anyway, feel free to send this one to the archives too, at your pleasure, sir : ) - jc37 01:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Cent makeover

Ping. John Reid ° 10:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Poke. John Reid ° 11:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

My Wikidiction

Hi, Steve:

I've asked another Admin for help, but have gotten no response thus far. This is eminently serious, and I'm asking you for help now. Here's what I wrote:

On Friday, Nov. 10 (EST)

This is going to sound weird, but it's absolutely serious and a mark of desperation: I'd like to ask you to block me from editing Wikipedia from this Monday until the following Saturday. I have a serious problem not being to stay away from working on Wiki, and it's affecting my work and my deadlines. I can't stop on my own; I've tried. You could do a comedy sketch about this, with the Wiki addict going through all the steps and rationalizations and everything else an alcoholic does.

I know I have a problem, so I'm asking for help. Please block me from Monday to Saturday so I can concentrate on my regular work. I would appreciate this more than you could imagine. Please. --Tenebrae 00:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Today, Monday, Nov. 13

Please: I'm still asking for help. The article Wikipediholic makes fun of it, but addiction comes in all form and it's humorous. I believe there needs to be a mechanism for users to voluntary have themselves banned — analogous, though obviously it's on a far lesser degree, to having oneself committed for observation. I understand you may have objections and you wouldn't want every Wiki-addicted Tom, Dick and Harry to come to you for help, but I'm asking this a collegiall favor. At least it's worth discussing. See my four hour contributions list just for today, a work day if you think this isn't serious. Thanks, --Tenebrae 18:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Addendum to Steve Block, now

I'm sorry to be a bother, but you can see this is serious, and it's something I think the Wikipedia powers-that-be might reasonably addres. Thanks -- Tenebrae 18:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

OTRS

OTRS is the system through which emails to the Foundation, including complaints, are processed. "OTRS complaint" means that somebody emailed the Foundation to protest. :-) David.Monniaux 22:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Information

Just FYI (no expectation that you join in, though you are obviously welcome to, just thought you should know): User talk:BrownHairedGirl#More CFDs on MPs?. - jc37 01:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Dumb Dinosaur

I put quite a bit of effort into that article. Well, some anyway. Deleting it was a horrid thing to do.--Boris Allen 18:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• If you could demonstrate why the animation is important, I will happily restore it. I agree, deletion can seem quite horrid, but perhaps the policy on the ownership of articles will change your view on the deletion. Happy editing! Steve block Talk 21:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No disambiguation unless necessary

Steve, you wrote this over at Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (television):

It's confusing and it's long standing practise. Wikipedia doesn't standardise for the sake of it, per arb-com, and it doesn't confuse readers. We only disambiguate when we have to. Steve block Talk 23:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you agree this applies to city names too? I'm having a hard time getting editors to accept that U.S. city names in particular should not be disambiguated unless necessary. See: Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (settlements) (there is an ongoing survey near the top of the page, and a discussion near the bottom). Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. --Serge 23:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

THANK YOU

I was able to have a very productive work week, which was critically needed. I'll look up the enforced-break script. Thank you again, Steve — I can't express how much your help has meant. --Tenebrae 21:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Childrens comics for gcse exam

I noticed that you recently prodded Childrens comics for gcse exam. In reviewing the page history, I notice that it had been previously prodded in March. I don't disagree with deleting it, but doesn't it need to go through the AfD process since it had already been prodded? ~ BigrTex 04:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

WHEEL

Please look at WP:0WW. I pled on Pump for people to come over so it would have wider input but instead I got a certain special fellow who is busy razing it.

I agree that on first blush the shorter policy always looks better. But there are distinct and deep reasons for breaking wheel warring into violations of a bright-line rule and violations of a balancing test. Worse, these late edits demote bright-line policy to some sort of nut. One more edit like this and everything that 20 different thoughtful editors have put together over the last year will be rubble.

If you don't have time to dig through all the history at Wikipedia talk:Wheel war/Archive, I understand. You can start here or take my word for it that the page has gone through a great deal of careful evolution.

Before merge, both pages were guidelines; I tagged the merge as guideline, too; there it stood for a month. Major changes should be discussed on talk. Our friend first tagged it down to proposed, then brought in the bulldozer. Sneaky or not, it's not okay. These rules -- call them whatever you will -- have already been cited in ArbCom decisions; perhaps I should have been bold and tagged the page policy from the merge. I've had a lot of input on this page already and I want you in there now -- if you'll be so kind. Thank you. John Reid ° 07:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

"Image:Heart of darkness cover.jpg"

I'm not sure what speedy criterion you deleted it under and I'm not sure I think your actions were helpful considering the discussion I'd initiated, and I just want to register that frustration. You just chipped away at my faith in Wikipedia one little bit more, but there's no value in going any further with this, and you just chipped away at my faith in Wikipedia one little bit more. Anyway, see you around and happy editing. Steve block Talk

You're right to be frustrated. Though I do not think such use of book covers is fair use, I acted too quickly and I apologize. Chick Bowen 20:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Misc. queries

There were several things you and I were discussing, some of which have now been archived.

• Danny Phantom
• WP:NCC (and I provided a link for your question)

And elsewhere you mentioned something about task forces that I thought was an interesting idea.

I'm also working on "trying" to get the "requested moves" list more done (and eventually making the sub-page you suggested)

I have a few questions about the Portal (to see what we can do to bring it to featured status, if possible)

I nominated Peanuts for a "good" article. After that process, I'd like to see if we can go for FA.

And thank you for commenting about MPs. (Though the discussion from others seems to have ceased - which I did indeed suggest was an option.)

Now all that said, if I've innundated you with too much, please let me know (and if you'd rather I let you alone entirely, I'll accept that as well.)

Just trying to "catch-up". Hope you're having a great day : ) - jc37 14:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• I'm going out of the door right this second, but I do want to pick your brains too on comics categories. I can remember the Danny Phantom thing, I think we had come to a disagreement that appeared impassable to me. I can't recall the NCC thing. The portal to FA, meh, I could care less, I hand a hand in setting up the Featured Portal process and should have run it through then, but I've never been a badge wearer. The MP thing I said my piece and am done with. Anyway, have to go, catch you later. Steve block Talk 14:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, trying to remember...

• I think things got confused about Danny Phantom because we started talking about several articles at once.
• As for "the NCC thing", just check that page's contributions list. I found the link about the "spin-offs" for you. But it wasn't anything important.
• I still have a few questions about the portal, but they can wait.
• Peanuts we both know about
• To be honest, the main reason I linked to the discussion about MPs, was because I mentioned your name to Kbdank71 at one point, and the post that I did so was being quoted, so I felt you should know your name came up. Though I do/did appreciate the comments.

All that aside, what about comics-related categories did you want to discuss? - jc37 15:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Danny Phantom I think you wanted to move to a (series) dab, with the character moving to occupy the Phantom slot, whilst I wanted to avoid a dab term, and move the character page to, um, Danny Felgate or whatever his surname is. I don't think we were likely to see much movement there, I tend to hold to the position that the guidance is to avoid dab terms where possible.

• I'm still unclear as to what you are referring to regards WP:NCC. I know I took out the spin off line, but I can't find anything in the page history of WP:NCC that looks like you found the link to show what "spin offs" refers to. I'm not sure what's being discussed here.

• Fire away regards the portal thing.

• The comics related categories thing is on the back-burner at the moment. Peanuts is sucking all available attention. I'll get back to it eventually, and let you know when I do, don't worry. Steve block Talk 20:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment

I don't quite follow your comment on WP:WHEEL. You seem to be saying that you endorse both the current version as well as restoring the page to the previous version. Could you please explain if I missed something? Thanks. (Radiant) 14:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• No, you didn't miss anything. I figure if it calms the situation down, then create a workshop page and get a wide audience in. There was a similar problem at WP:EL that was worked out in a similar manner recently. Steve block Talk 16:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There is already a wide audience, considering John posted this message to about a dozen editors. Since so far nobody agrees with him, I don't quite see how a workshop discussion would help. (Radiant) 16:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Hey, that's my talk page you linked to! :-) Ironic, as I'm one of the editors that hasn't commented over there yet. I haven't had time to read the morass of conflicting stuff. My general feeling is that it would be best to decide on something (fairly lax), and then let people follow their own (stricter) guidelines if they want. A bit like the 3RR versus 1RR thing. It should be common sense really. Be civil and discuss things, rather than edit warring, even if the actions happen to be admin actions. Oh, and investigate before taking admin actions, and thus prevent slow wheel wars. (OK, I'll copy this over there now). Carcharoth 16:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I tend to agree. On the workshop issue, I'm just trying to take the heat out oif the situation. It isn't going to matter if this takes another week, as far as I am concerned, but I've made my opinion known there, and I've removed it from my watchlist. I'm tired of getting into all these debates now. Steve block Talk 20:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Same to you

Thanks for handling that so graciously. Chick Bowen 22:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A little assistance please?

Hi,

I was finding administrators for Wiki finally found someone. So the issue is a guy in my talk page he is offensive, and now started giving me threats of me getting banned from here. The issue is on the Article "Metallica" the guy puts on {{totally disputed}} tag on it without any apparent reason, or mentioning anything in the articles discussion page. I removed it, they guy msged me, i told him how it was incorrect to put that tag, and put that back again, with a detailed explanation in the Discussion page of the article, he again removed it WITHOUT mentioning anything in the talk page and now stating the follwing in my talk page.
If you continue to remove this tag without addressing the issues, you may be banned for an undetermined amount of time. Due to the warnings you have already received on this matter, this will be the last one. If you decide to remove the tag again without addressing the numerous fact and POV tags in the Metallica article, you will simply be reported. Thank you. Roguegeek (talk) 10:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Is he an admin or what? And I did not like this way of counter-attack. If you can kindly resolve the issue, or tell me as to what should I do? Kindly do reply at my talk page. Akeeq 10:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Steve block, if you do into this inquiry by Akeeq (and I totally encourage you to do so), you will find no warnings were given without reason and without diffs showing the violations of incivility. Due to the time put into attempting to help Akeeq understand WP:RS and WP:NPOV policies, and the number of times I have asked them not to remove the {{totally disputed}} tag when the article clearly qualifies for one, I have told him to seek help from other people (especially admins) on any further understanding as I have obviously failed at this. I look forward to reading your feedback. Roguegeek (talk) 11:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Peanuts

Someone gave, what I presume was some good advice at Talk:Peanuts. Since he used Superman as an example, and I noticed you did the fair use explanation of the hero-box image, I was wondering if you would take a look? - jc37 10:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thanks for filling out that fair use rationale for me on Image:Peanutsgang.gif. - Mike (Talk) 20:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Have another one for finding & adding all of those refs to Peanuts. - Mike (Talk) 02:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• {{speechless}}. Steve block Talk 20:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello: editor review request

Hello, I noticed you've edited the Editor Review page, and I'm trying to get some feedback on my Review. I wouldn't normally solicit, but it appears Editor Review doesn't get nearly the attention RfA does (and understandably so). Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading. --Bobak 06:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review me, I've also answered your question. --Bobak 23:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

New Universe peer review

Many thanks for your comments - some managed to pinpoint things I was vaguely aware of, others raised issues that I hadn't yet considered (such as the ties to Jim Shooter's reign) and I think I agree with pretty much all of them. Hopefully this will give me (& all of the editors who've been working on this) a clear way forward and a few things to consider. Thanks! --Mrph 23:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Good egg

I saw some of your contributions/comments scattered around and you sounded a bit less like your normal happy self than usual. I wanted to say that I've always appreciated your edits to policy pages and your comments on talk pages. Keep up the good work.
152.91.9.144 06:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. As it goes, I'm fine, I just haven't the time anymore to get sucked into long debates which aren't going anywhere. I'm okay if people are willing to have an open mind, but I can't keep getting sucked in to debates about where to put the bikeshed. Steve block Talk 20:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Quick note

I thought you might be interested in this. - jc37 09:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Userbox version

This is a userbox version of the barnstar that I previously gave you. Use if you wish : ) - jc37 10:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diligence - For attempting to help resolve a lengthy and often confusing communication breakdown, and as a nudge that you might continue to help in other such instances on Wikipedia : ) - jc37 19:49, 26 October 2006

Calvin and Hobbes refs.

Hi Steve. I remember in talking to you a while ago that you believed one of the reasons Calvin and Hobbes might lose featured status if nominated today was on referencing issues. I agree with you that more are needed, and as I have farmed out the recurring themes into a sub-article, I am moving onto that task now. Seeing how many great refs you found for Peanuts, I thought I'd leave a message here to invite you to come and help out if you are interested. I promise not to get in an edit war this time ;-). After all, nothin bad has happened with Peanuts yet. Mike (Talk) 03:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Title Paragraph

Hi, I would like to write up a new article as wikipedia:titleparagraphs. I'd appreciate your assistance. Title paragraphs often called 'opening' paragraphs in the literary world are very important to seize readers’ attention and encourage them to read on. Title paragraphcs need to be written in a surmising style in as few concise but detailed sentences as possible.

Notice the difference between this article and this one. A remarkable difference. Are you going to read the a whole title paragraph like that for every article you look up? Long title paragraphs deter users who are simply surfing or frantically looking for the low down of a specific subject at handm, they are also a pleasure for the serious researcher.

Unfortunately this is not a guideline. I think editors should be advised about this point and I would feel privileged to start the article. Please let me know how I could go about it. Thanks

Chavatshimshon 07:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

"Copyright images on your user page"

Hey, just letting you know that i responded to what you said on my talk page. I asked a few questions there so if you could answer them there(so they will be easier to look up) that would be great TY.Phoenix741 20:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Need help with persistent reverter

Hi, Steve. User:CovenantD and I have tried every way possible of trying to talk with a persistently troublesome editor, User:Asgardian, over his reversions to Awesome Android (comics). He insists he doesn't have to follow the comicx exemplar, he adds misspellings and other erroneous edits back in, he removes reference sources that I and others have used and cited, and he won't give straight answers to our questions and comments.

There's some discussion about all this at the article's talk page, and there had been much more at User talk:Asgardian — with other editors complaining about his clumsy wholesale edits of Galactus and other articles — but he erases all comments.

Could you suggest a way to go on this? Maybe have a third party look at both versions and render a verdict. CovenantD and I are at our wits' ends trying to work with Asgardian. He doesn't appear to want to work with other editors, however, nor even to communicate with them on his talk page.

Sorry to bother you with this. Several editors have tried reasoning with him to no avail. Any advice you can give would be much appreciate.

On an unrelated note, thank you again for the link to Wikibreak Enforcer. It's been a godsend; it really has. And on another note, as a fellow editor with interest in early comics history, I hope you have a chance to read and add to The Funnies, Funnies on Parade and Famous Funnies. With best wishes, Tenebrae 10:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

See also here, here and here for examples of other editors who've tried to speak with him about his wholesale reversions against consensus and editorial policy/guidelines/exemplar. It's maddening. --Tenebrae 10:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not really about for a few days, you might be better served taking it to the admin's noticeboard. Steve block Talk 16:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

And that's good advice! Hope you and yours are well. Thanks! --Tenebrae 17:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance

Don't suppose you could weigh in on the borderline unpleasantness here on if it's an essay or what?
152.91.9.144 00:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos

I thought you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia to use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Logo Variations and on my talk page. Thanks! FrummerThanThou 10:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

I've responded to you on my talk page. Cheers •Elomis• 22:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Did you have that second run at adminship yet, or can I have the privilege of nominating you? Steve block Talk 12:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Haven't yet. And if you would like to, you're quite welcome to do so. I don't know if User:Kbdank71 or User:Mike Selinker (or possibly others I may have forgotten, or am unaware of) are still interested, but they may wish to be involved as well.

As an aside, I have to admit that your post bowled me over upon reading it. Can't exactly say why, it just did. Anyway, hope you're having a great day : ) - jc37 11:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Jc

I enthusiastically support the idea of Jc becoming an admin. Is it more useful for me to co-nominate, or just to support the nomination when it comes up? Whichever is more likely to lead to success is fine with me.--Mike Selinker 17:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't sure what to say (I can't recall ever nominating anyone). Let me know if it's ok. --Kbdank71 22:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, I have to admit... It's "something" to read the nominations... Considering this feeling, I'm especially glad I was able to co-nominate MS... Anyway, thanks : ) - Oh, and I'll see if I can find a better "balance" (brevity vs elucidation) to answering the questions this time : ) - jc37 09:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, added the page to the RfA page. I also "moved" the page, since the an associated page suggested that a second nom merely have "2" after the username. Hopefully I found the balance in answering the questions : ) - Anyway, Merry Christmas to you as well : ) - jc37 13:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Not that it probably matters, but I was wondering if the nominators are also supposed to place their votes (similar to what we did on Mike Selinker's nomination)? - jc37 22:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If I thought it was needed, I would have. Besides, Radiant taught me something when he nominated me and didn't vote. --Kbdank71 13:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)