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WP:WEIGHT

Pertaining to WP:WEIGHT, I question the excessive space given to controversies from the 1970s covered by the Toronto Star when the current degree-granting regime (in-force since 1999) has not had its academic legitimacy questioned prior to a current political media blitz.

Canada Christian College is currently under political attack due to having pending legislation for university status under review in the Ontario legislature. Entire paragraphs of the history section were not included until that controversy began. It seems that political opponents are utilizing the Wikipedia page as a way to shape public perceptions of the current incarnation of the college by pointing to pre-Pr4 incarnations of the college (which, with the exception of six years, was under different leadership). In my estimation, this is grossly inappropriate and endangers the well-being of hundreds of current students, all of whom stand to lose their degree legitimacy unfairly.

To be clear, a "history" section should include landmark events in the history of an institution. But is a "landmark event" where an institution got its curriculum 40 years ago? And if so, does not the inclusion of controversial information about that curriculum provider introduce unnecessary antiquated controversy to the college's article page? To be clear, this is not an attempt at PR, but rather, a recognition that an overreliance on articles primarily dating to the 1970s should not be given undue weight in an article about a college that currently exists and has numerous academic offerings. As observers will note, only two or three sentences of the history even reference 1999 and beyond -- 21 years of the most important, current information about the institution missing -- while entire paragraphs are devoted to events 30-40 years ago. This is especially troubling as the "history" section is what readers see first, and likely, what colors their view of the institution for the rest of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quartzgoldbling (talk • contribs) 03:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Two sentences on CCC's use of material from a substandard source is not undue weight but even if it were WP:WEIGHT doesn't mandate excising sourced information entirely. It is also relevant to the revocation of their degree granting status in the 1980s, which is clearly a "landmark event" for a college. 199.7.156.249 (talk) 04:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

My comment about undue weight is actually about the bulk of the history section. I removed these two sentences because they prejudice the reader. The Ontario Ministry of Education did not target Canada Christian College for its curriculum. In fact, it was only under the Degree Granting Act, which affected multiple institutions, that the Ministry acted. Hence, it is unrelated to the issue-at-hand, and thus, not linked to the "landmark" event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quartzgoldbling (talk • contribs) 04:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Just to be clear, the Kitchener-Waterloo article is slightly incorrect (though not egregiously enough, at least to me, for its exclusion from this article). This is proven by subsequent events and flow of logic. When some members the Jewish community complained about the college, "an official at the Ministry of Colleges and Universities stated that the Canada Christian College's granting of degrees appeared to contravene the Degree Granting Act of 1983." They didn't point back to a separate revocation in 1982. Rather, a newspaper article in August 1982 mentions that the college *could* lose degree-granting status (cited on the page) and the actual carrying out of that occured, along with other colleges, in 1983.

The degree granting status was revoked in 1982 under legislation passed in 1980 to curb degree mills. The 1983 law superseded it but it is not why degree status was originally revoked in 1982. 199.7.156.249 (talk) 04:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Interesting how that's not cited. Article as of August 1982 still has school granting degrees (though under allegations from province) and even last week's NDP press release states the college lost degree-granting privileges in 1983. One of the two sources (Kitchener-Waterloo or NDP) is wrong. Oh, and it's VERY strange how your account came alive after two years at the exact moment 76... stopped posting. I assume you are a sock-puppet account and will be watching these posts very closely.

And I assume you are affiliated with CCC and are in violation of WP:COI by editing the article at all. 199.7.156.249 (talk) 04:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)