User talk:Germen

Hi Germen, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions to the coolest online encyclopedia I know of =). I sure hope you stick around; we're always in need of more people to create new articles and improve the ones we already have. You'll probably find it easiest to start with a tutorial of how the wikipedia works, and you can test stuff for yourself in the sandbox. When you're contributing, you'll probably find the manual of style to be helpful, and you'll also want to remember a couple important guidelines. First, write from a neutral point of view, second, be bold in editing pages, and third, use wikiquette. Those are probably the most important ones, and you can take a look at some others at the policies and guidelines page. You might also be interested in how to write a great article and possibly adding some images to your articles.

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Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame) 16:03, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! Hope you enjoy the place, and don't hestiate to ask if you have any questions. --Spangineer (háblame) 18:23, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Undeletion_policy. There is no {{undelete}} template. Thanks. -- BMIComp (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry about making the Archive there, I was acting under a misapprehension, no offence was intended. --Irishpunktom\^talk 23:02, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Hi

I feel like we're really working at cross purposes, and I want to apologize for my role in that.

Would it be possible for us to set up some kind of meaningful dialogue to discuss the language you're hoping to use, before you start reverting things or making major revisions?

I realize Islamophobia is a controversial topic, and that you and I have different views of this issue. Maybe, working together, we could improve the article.

Before we get into another revert war, could I ask you to propose the specific text you've got in mind, and let people discuss it so a consensus can emerge?

I mention this because some of the edits you've made on this and other pages may have come across to others viewing your work as disruptive. It's possible that you've mistakenly categorized major edits as minor edits, for instance, or that you've made edits that some might consider to be vandalization of pages. Finally, it's possible that some could interpret your stance on Talk:Islamophobia as hostile and judgmental towards other editors.

Assuming good faith is a very important part of the process here, as is relying on verifiable sources, especially when it comes to interpreting the Qur'an and Hadith. As you know, people spend years of their lives trying to master the interpretation of these documents, and I know you don't want to try to create your own scholarship on the fly for this page.

Can we start working together to determine where this page should go? BrandonYusufToropov 14:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

• Brandon, agreed, on one condition. We must both agree to follow logic and verifiable sources. --Germen 22:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

One man's logic is another man's rabbit hole, I'm afraid. I don't see any problem with consulting (and discussing) verifiable sources, of course, but I should tell you here and now that I think the only way out of this thicket is to acknowledge from the opening of the article that the term is a controversial one, and likely to remain so. So with all that said, how would you open the article? Let's discuss it here. BrandonYusufToropov 23:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

RfC

Please do not vandalise the RfC: keep your remarks in the Discussion or Response sections only otherwise they will be reverted. You will have plenty of opportunity to defend yourself there and when this RfC is properly published. Axon 09:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Sure, where's the RfC? Babajobu 13:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Howdy

I support your work with wikipedia. Don't let the Islamist's get you too annoy'ed. Sometimes it's best to take a break from pig fighting with them and work on other encyclopedic topics. Then you can come back refreshed and ready to pig fight with them some more. Klonimus 06:47, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Agronomy-stub}} / Agronomy stubs

Hello. I notice that you added {{Agronomy-stub}} to the stub types page. Note that the top of the page states:

"To avoid unnecessary redirects and reverts, please discuss all new stubs types at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria prior to creation of new stubs and placement in articles or tables."

I have therefore moved the entry to the relevant location. Feel free to discuss it there.

--TheParanoidOne 12:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Agronomy

Hi, in reply to your questions about agromony editors and an agronomy portal. I can only think of one editor who's especially active on agriculture related topics User:Pekinensis, he does alot of work on tidying and writing crop articles. I think before a portal is considered we should work on the agricultural science page since it is pretty average and get the categorisation mess sorted out. So I think it would be best if we improved some articles before set up a portal. A wikiproject might be effective.--nixie 12:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Are you interested?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam:SIIEG

List

In the list of interesting people you encountered, how could you forget User:Anonymous Editor? Muwaffaq 14:30, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

I have made a request for arbitration with regard to your recent behaviour and in light of your apparent unwillingness to take advice or follow the community's rules. Axon (talk|contribs) 09:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

RFA

I noticed that Axon has filed an (in my opinion frivolous) RFA against you. As a suggestion, I think that you might want to take a look at this: Association of Members' Advocates (if you didn't noticed this option already) -- Karl Meier 18:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

mediation

Germen, I am honoured by your request, since I understand it to imply that you are prepared to listen to constructive criticsm from me, and especially since my comment on your rfc page was not particularly friendly towards you. So I am willing to give it a try. But I note that we seem to have some quite basic differences about what is "wikilike". Anyway, I am willing to give fair consideration to your case. prima facie, however, it appears you have rather too many preconceived notions about Islam for you to be well suited for npov editing. I will readily agree that your negative views are not unfounded, and describe aspects of Islam. Disagreement typically breaks out over whether these are major or minor aspects. Npov lies towards delineating precisely which aspects you are talking about at any given moment. Islamic fundamentalism is not identical with Islam. Critics, typically fundamentalist Christian critics, sometimes claim Islamic fundamentalism is really the essence of Islam, but students of Islamic theology and culture (not necessarily Muslims) typically disagree. If you are prepared to look for solutions in that area, I do think your views can be documented without too much trouble. regards, dab (ᛏ) 07:42, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

hi Germen, thanks for your gestures of good faith. I should really get some real-life work done right now, but I created User_talk:Dbachmann/Germen_Axon so far, for discussions between the three of us, so I suggest you put that on your watchlist. I suppose mediations will mean that Axon and you debate by proxy (me) whenever there is a danger of descending into fruitless disputes. I cannot solve the problem for the two of you, but I will attempt to be useful as a catalyzer. dab (ᛏ) 09:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Image tips

Hello!

Thanks for uploading some pictures to Wikipedia. I wanted to make sure you were aware of some of the requirements and good practices for uploaded images.

• Pick an image name.

When uploading an image, pick a file name that is short, descriptive, and unique. Remember that many images may be uploaded about the same topic, and remember that names are case sensitive.

• Source the image.

On the image description page, explain where the image came from. If you created the image yourself, then say so. If it's from the web, give a URL. If it's a screenshot of a movie or game, or a scan from a book, give the title.

• Provide copyright and license information.

This part is a little bit trickier, but it's very important. The copyright of the image generally belongs to whomever created it.

If it's a photograph you took, or an image you created (modifying an image that already exists doesn't count) in software like Photoshop or GIMP, then you own the copyright. To upload it to Wikipedia, you must agree to license it under the GFDL (which allows anyone to use it, but requires that they give credit to the original author and requires that any further edit to the image be licensed under the GFDL as well) or release it into the public domain (which allows anyone to use it for any purpose without restriction.) Do this by placing an appropriate tag on the image description page, like {{GFDL}} or {{PD}}. Be sure to mention that you created the image. If you're using {{PD}}, you may also want to use {{NoRightsReserved}}, since there is some dispute as to whether one may grant items into the public domain.

If you didn't create the image, or the copyright somehow belongs to another party (like a screenshot, which you might "create", but the copyright belongs to the author of the movie or video game), then you need to find another tag that describes the copyright status of the image. Images used on Wikipedia need to be free for our use and the use of sites which reproduce our content. This means that images cannot have a restriction such as "only for use by Wikipedia", or "for non-commercial use only", or "for educational use". Images without a free license may be usable in certain articles under fair use, but such a use should be justified on the image description page.

• Describe the image.

To another reader, the image may not be immediately understood. A caption in an article doesn't explain the image to a visitor who sees it on its image page. Put a brief explanation of what is in the image on the image description page, similar to what you might include in a caption on an article.

Some links to Wikipedia pages on this subject:

Copyrights, Copyright tags, Fair use, Image description page, Public domain, Images for deletion, Possibly unfree images, Copyright problems

Thanks again for your contributions. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me at my talk page. kmccoy (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD pollution

Ril enlisted Persecution by Muslims for VfD again, just 24 hours after the article withstood the first VfD. You might be interested to watch it. [1] --Germen (Talk | Contribs File:Nl small.gif) 10:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

thank you for letting me know it looks like it was kept Yuckfoo 17:33, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Agronomy portal

From User talk:Pollinator Hi, you seem to be a quite active user on agricultural subjects. I would like your help in improving and expanding the the Agronomy portal, found at Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Agronomy. --Germen (Talk | Contribs File:Nl small.gif) 11:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? I am greatly interested in agriculture, but my time is somewhat limited, so I was wondering what you have in mind. Pollinator 01:31, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

RFD

hi Germen. regarding the RFD, on User_talk:Dbachmann/Germen_Axon I was just getting the impression that the issue could be resolved amicably, and that it was mainly about the intro. Now I am not so sure, and frankly, confused. Surely you agree that the RTD defines Islamophobia as an attitude that fulfills all of the eight points? Because some of your comments seem to imply that you think the RFD calls islamophobic an attitude that is consistent with any one of these points, which I'll agree of course would be nonsensical. dab (ᛏ) 15:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Islamophobia

Deny it as you do, but you are a Islamophobe. How can you not be, the way you speak of the Holy Prophet (pbuh)? It does not matter for you though. You will not say such things soon enough. Your country will be a victory for Islam. While you silly Dutch keep aborting your babies, we will use the womb rather than the gun to conquer Holland. Your leaders will allow us to continue immigrating because someone needs to do the real work. Praise be Allah. Saduj al-Dahij 21:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Germen, I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that this guy is a fake ;).Heraclius 21:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Rest assured, Heraclius :)--Germen (Talk | Contribs File:Nl small.gif) 14:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Look what the tricky little bastard did [2].Heraclius 18:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

3RR

Hi. I have blocked you for 24 hours for what I believe is a violation of the three revert rule. A detailed examination by me of the offending edits can be found at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Germen. While you are blocked, you may continue to edit this talk page. If you feel this block is unwarranted, you may message the WikiEN-l mailing list or the #Wikipedia IRC channel. - Mark 14:21, 4 August 2005 (UTC) == I never had the specific intent to revert Axon's or other people's edits as such, but because there was a high frequency of edits and a lousy internet connection it is possible that I unintentionally overwrote edits by Axon or others. As far as now I only acknowledge two deliberate reverts and I do not see a substantial reason why I should be blocked. The user which complained about me, Axon, regularly harangues administrators to intervene in his favour. --Germen (Talk | Contribs File:Nl small.gif) 14:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Germen, see my talkpage, Axon is asking me if mediation is over. See also his talkpage, I am suggesting you both agree to voluntarily refrain from editing the article, unless you reach consensus on the edit first. I will revert either of you who breaks that agreement, so neither of you stands a chance of pushing your edits through. If you do think this is pointless, however, just say so, and the two of you go off to rfar. dab (ᛏ) 16:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I think all Europeans need to be barred from editing the article for, hmm, say a week ;)?Heraclius 16:27, 4 August 2005 (UTC)