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List of Warriors characters

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A section of this article was split into a new article, but was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Warriors ThunderClan characters for lacking notability and violating WP:FANCRUFT. The main article is extremely long and discussion should decide if it is deleted on the same basis, or if we allow this article to be split into numerous parts. Onetwothreeip (talk) 20:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re-scope If each section is overly long, but not notable enough, perhaps we should at least re-scope in some way. 5a5ha seven (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have same opinion as above. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 08:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nothing said here is reason for deletion of a whole list. If it's bad it should be improved.★Trekker (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:13, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some list of characters may be useful, but this is full of fancrufty plot summary and such. Not sure if WP:TNT is warranted, but it is very messy and mostly unreferenced. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 129 books, this is a massive series with a lot of characters. No valid reason given for deletion. If you want to divide it into separate articles because of size, or discuss which characters aren't notable enough to remain on this list, do so on the talk page. Dream Focus 19:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If we decide not to delete the article, this should overrule the previous AfD and the article should be split. Onetwothreeip (talk) 22:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm mildly biased, as a longtime Warriors fan, but the series is incredibly sprawling, and while the list definitely needs to be re-tooled, the franchise itself is large enough that there should be some separate page for a list of characters. To show that it can be done, about a week ago I managed to cut List of Kung Fu Panda characters to about 1/10 its original size. Kncny11 ^(shoot) 23:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Speaking as a long-time contributor to this article (and others under the wikiproject), though less active lately, I do agree that the article could really benefit from being improved in the sense of having more references both to the books and to third-party sources. Most minor characters on this list would not have non-in-universe references, but arguably, this is the case for many similar franchise character lists: e.g. List of Star Wars characters, List of Harry Potter characters, etc. To address the suggestions above about potentially splitting this list: this has been tried a couple times in the past (see the records of deletion for List of ThunderClan cats, List of RiverClan cats, etc.). I was personally involved in one of those attempts (initiated precisely because we felt the list was getting too long), and they have not been successful in the past as it was always felt that once split apart, the lists were not considered to meet notability. You can search User:Brambleclawx/List and all the suggestions listed are basically transfers of the split lists before they were deleted. My current inclination is that a lot of the plot summary can be cut down: the number of entries may not be trimmable due to the sheer number of characters, but the overall length can be cut down by removing a lot of in-universe material to focus only on details important to the overall character/plot arcs (rather than minutiae about what happens to them in each novel in the series). That will be work-intensive but doable, but then afterwards there will also be an element of maintenance: this list is frequently contributed to by fans of the series whose (good-faith) inclination will be to document every detail they can find about each character. I am of course happy to try to do that maintenance, but I am nowhere near as active as I used to be, and the list is simply not monitored as well as some of those lists for larger franchises I mentioned above, so it may re-accumulate. But my overall opinion is still to keep, since the issue at hand is really improvement/trimming. Bramble claw x 04:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Potential to re-scope the article can be discussed elsewhere. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep.''' I'm mildly biased, as a longtime ''Warriors'' fan, but the series is incredibly sprawling, and while the list definitely needs to be re-tooled, the franchise itself is large enough that there should be some separate page for a list of characters. To show that it can be done, about a week ago I managed to cut [[List of Kung Fu Panda characters]] to about 1/10 its original size. '''[[User:Kncny11|<span style="font-family:Georgia; color:#F74902">Kncny11</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Kncny11|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:black">(shoot)</span>]]</sup> 23:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' Speaking as a long-time contributor to this article (and others under [[WP:WARRIORS|the wikiproject]]), though less active lately, I do agree that the article could really benefit from being improved in the sense of having more references both to the books and to third-party sources. Most minor characters on this list would not have non-in-universe references, but arguably, this is the case for many similar franchise character lists: e.g. [[List of Star Wars characters]], [[List of Harry Potter characters]], etc. To address the suggestions above about potentially splitting this list: this has been tried a couple times in the past (see the records of deletion for [[List of ThunderClan cats]], [[List of RiverClan cats]], etc.). I was personally involved in one of those attempts (initiated precisely because we felt the list was getting too long), and they have not been successful in the past as it was always felt that once split apart, the lists were not considered to meet notability. You can search User:Brambleclawx/List and all the suggestions listed are basically transfers of the split lists before they were deleted. My current inclination is that a lot of the plot summary can be cut down: the number of entries may not be trimmable due to the sheer number of characters, but the overall length can be cut down by removing a lot of in-universe material to focus only on details important to the overall character/plot arcs (rather than minutiae about what happens to them in each novel in the series). That will be work-intensive but doable, but then afterwards there will also be an element of maintenance: this list is frequently contributed to by fans of the series whose (good-faith) inclination will be to document every detail they can find about each character. I am of course happy to try to do that maintenance, but I am nowhere near as active as I used to be, and the list is simply not monitored as well as some of those lists for larger franchises I mentioned above, so it may re-accumulate. But my overall opinion is still to keep, since the issue at hand is really improvement/trimming. ''[[User:Brambleclawx|<span style="color:#9A5100">Bramble</span>]][[User talk:Brambleclawx|<span style="color:#00BB00">claw</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brambleclawx|<span style="color:#0ADD0A">x</span>]]'' 04:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''. Potential to re-scope the article can be discussed elsewhere. [[User:शिव साहिल|शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil]] ([[User talk:शिव साहिल|talk]]) 16:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)