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Hi Larry, as you can see I was recently granted the rollback permission. Whenever I try to revert the edits using rollback button, it asks confirmation. Does this happen to everyone or I'm the exception? Thanks! –'''[[User:Kamilalibhat|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:coral">Kamilalibhat</span>]]''' ⟨[[User talk:Kamilalibhat#top|talk]]⟩ 08:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
Hi Larry, as you can see I was recently granted the rollback permission. Whenever I try to revert the edits using rollback button, it asks confirmation. Does this happen to everyone or I'm the exception? Thanks! –'''[[User:Kamilalibhat|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:coral">Kamilalibhat</span>]]''' ⟨[[User talk:Kamilalibhat#top|talk]]⟩ 08:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:I don't often use rollback, {{u|Kamilalibhat}}, but that doesn't sound familiar. There's some info at [[Wikipedia:Rollback#Accidental use of rollback]]. It would be worth asking at the Teahouse, where I'm sure someone will know more. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry#top|talk]]) 09:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
:I don't often use rollback, {{u|Kamilalibhat}}, but that doesn't sound familiar. There's some info at [[Wikipedia:Rollback#Accidental use of rollback]]. It would be worth asking at the Teahouse, where I'm sure someone will know more. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry#top|talk]]) 09:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== RE: Relativity between Two same things discussion == |
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So what I meant by saying that was that it is important to take a middle stance between conflicting sources, For example: I prefer CNN over Fox news, But I still watch both news programs. I did not intend however, to suggest using unreliable sources, an example on this is that I would most certainly take a stance agreeing with an article that NASA published over one created, by say... a local newspaper, I may agree with that newspaper on many things and favor them over NASA, due to their proximity and relevance, but it simply lacks the resources to do research on the same scale as NASA, but I would agree with it over NASA, say on something like whether or not someone in my city just won an election to become mayor, due to their expertise on local matters. |
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The reason why I said to take the middle ground was in the case of two sources, that either are of equal relevance to the situation, or are at contrasting political views, this approach also assumes that another, reputable, source does not exist in the middle ground... in which case, if one is present, I would use that source rather than the others. |
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As to the point that you made on citing [[WP:NPOV]], which tells us that we should be "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published ''by reliable sources on a topic''" (yes I just copy pasted your copy paste XD), This is a valid point, and a good observation that I should have put into my post, my focus with this was on the part without editorial bias, and the best way I saw to uphold that was by cross-referencing even things I automatically would take as true fact, which I saw as relevant to the argument, which I was seeking to deescalate, I was seeing the political nature of the argument, and to me, Neutrality would be the best counter to this type of bias. I was not saying to use an unreliable source, but meant by my comment, that in cases of conflicting views on events, It is best to just stick to the middle-ground to avoid losing the neutral stand-point in the midst of unclear fact, if a News source is arguing with another, Typically, in my own personal experience, the one sitting quietly in the corner raising their hand, is generally more accurate then the other 2 loudly arguing their side of the story. Ultimately, avoiding news agencies altogether would be ideal, but I understand that it is something that is much easier said than done, and in many cases, might be entirely impossible altogether. |
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Can you help with creating an article that states some pieces of information about a company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugochimobi (talk • contribs) 09:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Ugochimobi. The best place to ask about this is at Wikipedia:Teahouse (although I see you already received some advice there, now archived at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1095#Company Page). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hi Cordless Larry, Thanks for your guidance. I am not able to login from my original account Crossmedia20 as it's globally blocked due to sockpuppet of User:Jagdeep singh bittu. However, I am using the same IP I used for my accounts. I firstly created Crossmedia20 in December 2020 but I was blocked citing the sockpuppet of Jagdeep singh bittu. I had put all my efforts to get it unblocked by giving clarifications and reasons on talk page and in unblock appeals but my requests were not addressed. I was so disappointed and even the genuine page of musician Navi Ferozpurwala, who is having significant coverages in reliable sources got deleted.
With no choice left, I created User:Chopra1995 and faced the same situation. Just these two were my Ids and I would request you to check the nature of my edits from these ids, you will find every thing similar but rest of Ids created by Jagdeep Singh Bittu have different nature of edits. He used mobile web to make edits, made copyright violations, never tried to interact with administrators from any of his sockpuppets. I am very keen to edit Wikipedia and keep it up to date. I wanted to invest my time by keeping this encyclopedia updated but my two months gone wasted just because of Jagdeep Singh Bittu's mistakes. The area of interest was similar but the intention and nature of edits were completely different.
In the last, I request you to pls help me in unblocking Crossmedia20 so that I can give a fresh start and could learn more things from administrators like you. Removal of sockpuppet tag of Jagdeep Singh Bittu will help me a lot and I can continue happy editing. I hope you understand my situation and do the needful. 122.173.229.11 (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest you post this explanation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jagdeep singh bittu, where the case is being investigated. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have posted it. 122.173.229.11 (talk) 19:54, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Larry, I am still waiting for someones response on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jagdeep singh bittu to my message. Could you pls suggest what should I do. Shall I start editing from User:Highlandhd or I should wait till the investigation ends? — Preceding undated comment added 17:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- There's nothing formally in place to prevent you from editing at present, Highlandhd. I've tried to speed the sockpuppet investigation along a bit. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Cordless Larry Highlandhd (talk) 09:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
About EditorThanos
Hello Larry, hope you are fine. I want to login to EditorThanos to tag some pages for speedy deletion. But I had promised you that I will never use any account other than Kamilalibhat to edit Wikipedia (I want to keep that promise rather than breaking your trust on me). So I want you let me do so. Thanks! –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 16:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking for advice on this, Kamilalibhat. Is there a reason why you can't tag the pages using your main account? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cordless Larry, to be clear I want to delete User:EditorThanos/sandbox/Ideas and User:EditorThanos/header under {{db-author}} tag. –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 17:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- I thought that might be the case. That sounds an acceptable reason to use the account to me, Kamilalibhat. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cordless Larry, thank you 😊. As I already said, I will never break the promise that I made. –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 17:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- I thought that might be the case. That sounds an acceptable reason to use the account to me, Kamilalibhat. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Cordless Larry, to be clear I want to delete User:EditorThanos/sandbox/Ideas and User:EditorThanos/header under {{db-author}} tag. –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 17:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi Larry, as you can see I was recently granted the rollback permission. Whenever I try to revert the edits using rollback button, it asks confirmation. Does this happen to everyone or I'm the exception? Thanks! –Kamilalibhat ⟨talk⟩ 08:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't often use rollback, Kamilalibhat, but that doesn't sound familiar. There's some info at Wikipedia:Rollback#Accidental use of rollback. It would be worth asking at the Teahouse, where I'm sure someone will know more. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
RE: Relativity between Two same things discussion
So what I meant by saying that was that it is important to take a middle stance between conflicting sources, For example: I prefer CNN over Fox news, But I still watch both news programs. I did not intend however, to suggest using unreliable sources, an example on this is that I would most certainly take a stance agreeing with an article that NASA published over one created, by say... a local newspaper, I may agree with that newspaper on many things and favor them over NASA, due to their proximity and relevance, but it simply lacks the resources to do research on the same scale as NASA, but I would agree with it over NASA, say on something like whether or not someone in my city just won an election to become mayor, due to their expertise on local matters.
The reason why I said to take the middle ground was in the case of two sources, that either are of equal relevance to the situation, or are at contrasting political views, this approach also assumes that another, reputable, source does not exist in the middle ground... in which case, if one is present, I would use that source rather than the others.
As to the point that you made on citing WP:NPOV, which tells us that we should be "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" (yes I just copy pasted your copy paste XD), This is a valid point, and a good observation that I should have put into my post, my focus with this was on the part without editorial bias, and the best way I saw to uphold that was by cross-referencing even things I automatically would take as true fact, which I saw as relevant to the argument, which I was seeking to deescalate, I was seeing the political nature of the argument, and to me, Neutrality would be the best counter to this type of bias. I was not saying to use an unreliable source, but meant by my comment, that in cases of conflicting views on events, It is best to just stick to the middle-ground to avoid losing the neutral stand-point in the midst of unclear fact, if a News source is arguing with another, Typically, in my own personal experience, the one sitting quietly in the corner raising their hand, is generally more accurate then the other 2 loudly arguing their side of the story. Ultimately, avoiding news agencies altogether would be ideal, but I understand that it is something that is much easier said than done, and in many cases, might be entirely impossible altogether.