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==Chronology and related links==

Is it necessary to have all the Drag Race franchises on here? There is the own [[Drag Race (franchise)]] page, therefore this isn't needed. Other reality competition programmes such as The X Factor, The Voice and Idol don't have other franchises on their regardless if there are same judges on international versions... --[[Special:Contributions/94.5.190.56|94.5.190.56]] ([[User talk:94.5.190.56|talk]]) 19:46, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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"Music" section

I should note, the entire "Music" section (with the exception of the very first claim; Tunefind does not seem like a reliable source) is unsourced. How important is this information? Should we remove or work to source? ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Music is a huge part of the show, and many of the challenges revolve around the music. Gleeanon409 (talk) 20:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gleeanon409, I'm not suggesting otherwise. But Wikipedia content should be sourced. None of this content is sourced, which is a problem. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the Music section for now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, well so much for any discussion. As you know unsourced doesn’t mean not able to source. So now, that you’ve removed it essentially all that work has gone to waste. And all you had to do was tag it. What a shame. Gleeanon409 (talk) 21:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gleeanon409, The markup still exists in the article history and can easily be retrieved and re-added appropriately. Not a loss. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then in the spirit of collaboration, please restore it and add any sourcing cleanup tags needed. Gleeanon409 (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gleeanon409, No, I'm not willing to add back unsourced text, sorry. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So you’ve removed a huge section, important to the article and series, because you couldn’t be bothered to actually have a discussion about it, or simply add a sources needed tag. That is incredibly non-collegial and disruptive. It is simply wasting other editors’ time. Gleeanon409 (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gleeanon409, I'm following Wikipedia's rules, so don't get mad at me. Perhaps another editor will weigh in here or assist with retrieving and sourcing the markup. @Armadillopteryx: Thoughts? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:58, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer and Gleeanon409, why don't we just collect sources and add a draft of the old markup to either this talk page or a sandbox, and then it can be pasted back into the article space when ready? Armadillopteryx 22:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, I'm not opposed. I've explained why the content was removed, and I will continue to remove unsourced content. Thanks for participating in this discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is incredibly disingenuous, the vast majority of all content on Wikipedia is unsourced. But we don’t remove it, we tag it for sourcing IF it seems dubious, etc. You’re not even claiming anything wasn’t accurate, just missing sourcing. I think that’s wasting other editors energy who have to cleanup after your destruction. Gleeanon409 (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gleeanon409, I don't know what else to say. I'm sorry if you disagree, and I certainly wouldn't say "the vast majority of all content on Wikipedia is unsourced". Please don't take this content removal personally. The markup can be easily retrieved and placed back into the article, not the end of the world. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gagaluv1: Making you aware of this discussion, since you attempted to add the music content back. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:46, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making me aware of this. I personally do not think it's a big deal. We don't have sources for episode summaries or for saying who wins the challenges in each episode or what the lipsyncs are. The show is its own source and there is nothing in this section that is not directly from the show.Gagaluv1 (talk) 23:51, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, guys! I don't know if this discussion is closed or not, but I noticed the discography has been removed. Would it be plausible to create a separate page for this discography of the show? It would only include songs performed/sung by the contestants of the show. --Wansawansa (talk) 12:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Format" section

I am not going to remove all the unsourced text immediately, but I do want to point out that the vast majority of the "Format" section is currently unsourced. Do we need this much detail? Are there ways we can incorporate some sourcing to enhance the article's integrity? I am seeking editor feedback here and won't act unilaterally. I'd like editors to please keep in mind, we don't need this article to be as detailed as possible -- we need to provide readers with a good overview to gain an understanding of the subject. I welcome all concerns and suggestions here. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with paring it down (and, obviously, with sourcing everything presently unsourced). But we certainly don't need commentary like the USA Today quote in that section. A few direct, concise sentences should be enough. Armadillopteryx 22:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, If we need to wait for more editors to weigh in, that's fine, but I also wonder if you'd be willing to take a stab at removing unnecessarily detail. I just think there's too much text here for readers to get a quick and decent understanding of the show's format. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: I guess I can. I see you're heavily editing the article at the moment—are you going to be in that section at all? Don't want to have edit conflicts. Armadillopteryx 23:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, I will not. And don't feel obligated, I just think some obvious trimming would be helpful by an editor other than myself. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've redone and mostly sourced the intro paragraph of that section and its first subsection. How much detail do we want to keep in all the following subsections? Armadillopteryx 01:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: I've now gone through the Judge section as well. I'm tempted to remove the entire section on Untucked and simply mention/summarize it in a sentence or two in this section's main paragraph; what do you think? Armadillopteryx 02:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, What about expanding the "Spin-offs" section to "Spin-offs and related media" and having summaries of Whatcha Packin' and The Pit Stop there? ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
👍 Like. I'll wait until Scootersfood is done in that section before restructuring so we don't end up with edit conflicts. Armadillopteryx 03:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Armadillopteryx! I'm done for now. --Scootersfood (talk) 03:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, and thanks for adding all that sourcing! I'll go start some restructuring. Armadillopteryx 03:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another Believer and Scootersfood, what should we do with the photo montage of the four judges? Now that a lot of text has been cut out, it doesn't fit easily anywhere remotely near the Judging section. Should we maybe make it into a gallery or something? I've commented it out for now, because it looked terrible no matter where I tried moving it. Armadillopteryx 04:50, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Armadillopteryx, I say we convert into a multi-image gallery similar to the ones I made for the series overview section. If the gallery is too wide to fit next to the judges table with color-coded cells, we could try creating a key and eliminating the words "Guest", etc, in the cells, to condense the table's width. Just a thought. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer, it could definitely fit next to the table, even as is if I left-justify it ... I just think that looks messy. I was thinking something like the gallery you made at Rebar (New York City) might make sense here, but I'm open to any solution, really. Do you want to go ahead and try something? I was going to go work on the Lip sync section now. Armadillopteryx 04:55, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx,  Done Open to adjustments, but this gets the ball rolling. ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer, thanks, definitely an improvement! It still displays with a lot of white space and with the collage forced down below the infobox on my screen. What does it look like for you? Armadillopteryx 05:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, For me, the infobox ends in the mini/maxi challenge section, so I see the gallery at the top of the judges section (as intended), floating to the right of the table. I'm not bothered by the gallery floating wherever; I think illustrating the current judges is helpful even if not displayed directly next to the table. I'm sure things will continue to shuffle around a bit as we continue to work on the page. ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer, fair enough. By the way, looking at the Lip sync section now, I'm almost tempted to just cut it out. I've summarized the LSFYL in the main paragraph anyway, and the rest of the details are season-specific anomalies that, IMO, are more appropriate in season articles. And this is to say nothing of totally irrelevant details that probably shouldn't be here at all, like what "C.U.N.T." stands for. What do you think? Armadillopteryx 22:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, I'm open to trimming much of the Lip sync section; feel free to do so as you see fit. I'd be okay with keeping brief mention of 'charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent' and a general overview of the qualities Ru seeks in the top queen, but we don't need to mention all the exceptions to the traditional 'lip sync'. I've been working to reduce the overall # of section headings, so I have no problem with removing this one as well if the details fit in the parent 'Format' section. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer: Alright, I've removed the Lip sync section and merged the main details into the overview paragraph. Armadillopteryx 19:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Armadillopteryx, Looks good! Thanks for your work on this section. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing for Untucked

Can anyone find a source that mentions which seasons Untucked aired on TV vs. online only? I found that info relevant enough to leave in, but I couldn't find any RS for it, so I've left it with a Citation needed tag for now. Armadillopteryx 05:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can find. Scootersfood (talk) 05:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Scootersfood: Thanks for adding a source! It seems to confirm when Untucked moved online, but we still need a source to show when it came back to TV. Have you seen any? I'll look, too. Armadillopteryx 22:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Armadillopteryx: I could be wrong but I believe one of the previous sources I added mentioned that with the Season 10 VH1 Untucked Premiere, it was also shifting from a Youtube format back to a TV format.Scootersfood (talk) 22:16, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Found it and added it inline. Thanks! Armadillopteryx 22:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disqualification Color, Quit Color, Removed Color

So on Season 4, All Stars 2, Season 9 and Season 12, the color for disqualification, quit, and removed are all the same color. I think that they should all be different colors because they mean different things. For example, Willam's disqualification in Season 4 was always brown, until Sherry Pie was disqualified in Season 12, then it changed to maroon. Adore Delano quitting in All Stars 2, I think can remain maroon. And Eureka's removal should be a violet or color like it was before. Disqualification should be brown, quitting should be maroon, and removal should be violet. I don't think there should be one color for things meaning different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.131.69 (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Award nomination

---Another Believer (Talk) 00:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to have all the Drag Race franchises on here? There is the own Drag Race (franchise) page, therefore this isn't needed. Other reality competition programmes such as The X Factor, The Voice and Idol don't have other franchises on their regardless if there are same judges on international versions... --94.5.190.56 (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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