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Non-notable musician / actor. Could not find any reliable sources about him. Natg 19 (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC, and WP:NACTOR. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable for any entertainment endevor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:53, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is a prolific director, actor, writer, singer. I have now added to the article a clearer reference about his nomination for Best Directing (Comedy), Indie Soap Awards, which is a subject-independent reference clearly establishing notability.Larry Grossman (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any references to back up your claims of him being a "prolific" director, actor, writer or singer? I do not believe the Indie Soap Awards are a notable award concurring notability to this person. Natg 19 (talk) 18:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1. The IMDb page on him listing works in almost every entertainment category, i.e., acting, directing, cinematography, writing, composing and producing from 2004 through 2017 show his work to be prolific in the 2000s and 2010s, and the listed works are independently verifiable, see https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1907292/ 2. His appearance in a nationally televised UPS Store commercial means he has been seen by millions of people on TV - that in and of itself makes him notable. See: https://www.ispot.tv/topic/actor-actress/kVO/jd-mata. Note: The foregoing link is independent of the subject matter of the article. 3. If you think that being nominated for an Indie Soap Award does not make the nominee notable the article on Indie Soap Awards for deletion! If you do not think the Indie Soap Awards article should be nominated for deletion, I cannot see how you could believe that individual nominees are not made notable by their nomination, since it is a national award with only six nominees in each category yearly. Yet, his notability does not rest merely on that one award nomination by any means. Larry Grossman (talk) 23:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that being nominated for a notable award once does not make the subject notable. See WP:ANYBIO. SailingInABathTub (talk) 00:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - however, that taken along with 1. his appearance in a nationally televised commercial, as referenced and linked in the article; 2. appearance in a well-known Lil Wayne video "How to Love," that is referenced and linked in the article, 3. appearance in the repeating role Luca in True Blood as referenced in the article, and 4. all of his other artistic works over the 14-year period referenced in the article firmly establish his notability. How many times does someone have to appear in artistic works viewed by millions of people before they are considered notable? The nomination for a notable award is just an indicator of his notabilty. When all of his artistic works - many viewed by millions - plus his nomination for a notable award are taken together, there can be only one conclusion, he is notable and worthy of a Wikipedia article. Larry Grossman (talk) 07:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In which case the applicable criteria for notability that Mata must pass is either WP:NACTOR as an actor, or WP:NMUSICBIO as a musician. 1., 2. & 4. - If any of the works that he appears in were notable they would have their own articles, and if he had a significant role in those works he would be notable 3. - I can't see any reference to Mata or his character in the main cast of Tru Blood, or anywhere in the article. As it stands, I can't see how he meets the notability requirements. SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with SailingInABathTub on these points. Additionally, simply appearing in videos or artistic works does not make someone notable. I would consider him notable if he had starring roles in these notable works, but WP:NOTINHERITED. As for his "artistic works over 14 years", I looked at his IMDB page, and I see a total of 6 acting credits. He additionally has 5 director credits, some of which overlap with his acting credits, which leads me to believe that he produced/directed/acted in some independent films. Nothing on his IMDB page leads me to believe that he is a notable or prolific actor. Natg 19 (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you SailingInABathTub for pointing out that the True Blood article needs to be edited to include J.D. Mata's TWELVE appearances! I intend to edit it this weekend to include him. In the meantime, here is a link to the True Blood Fandom page dedicated to his role and listing his 12 appearances. ^[1]. Also, here is a link to another subject-independent website showing him love and celebrating him as a Texas actor from McAllen. ^[2]. Twelve appearances in a notable series with independent coverage by his fans makes him notable under WP:NACTOR. Larry Grossman (talk) 09:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I just found in reviewing Wikipedia'a article on Season 4 of True Blood TWO references to "Tio Luca," which is the character J.D. Mata plays. Please see True Blood (season 4) and read the descriptions of both Episode 42 and Episode 43. To nail this in terms of WP:NACTOR, 1. True Blood is a notable series, 2. J.D. Mata has had multiple notable appearances, notable enough that the True Blood Season 4 article mentions his character twice [and I have not edited that article - those references were put in by someone else who finds those appearances so notable that they added it to the Wikipedia article on that season]. 3. Each episode is a separate work, therefore based JUST on his notable appearances in this notable show, he qualifies under WP:NACTOR as notable for having a notable role in multiple notable works. (talk) 09:46, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second addendum: I just found a reference to Tio Luca in New York Magazine ^[3] Larry Grossman (talk) 09:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even though Mata was in the cast of True Blood, he did not portray a major or notable character, so he still does not qualify for WP:NACTOR. Natg 19 (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree with you, Natg 19. He appeared 12 times in the same role as Tio Luca. A character appearing in TWELVE separate episodes is a notable character that most fans of True Blood, a notable series, would recognize. Larry Grossman (talk) 08:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ixfd64 (talk) 18:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable and the article has almost no content except for a list of credits with no other information about this individual, his education or professional background. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Keep~~ I disagree with Liz's immediately above assertion made with no support that the subject is not notable despite all the points of notability I mentioned in the prior discussion; for example, his being nominated for best director for a notable award, the Indie Soap Awards; however, I would like to raise a new argument supporting his notability which is his triumph over institutionalized racism as a Chicano artist in reaching the level of notability that he has and ask you to re-consider your support of deletion by asking yourself if you might unwittingly be supporting institutionalized racism by applying standards of notability that if applied across the board might cause Wikipedia to be even less diverse and less representative. Give this guy a break! By deleting lesser known, though notable, artists from Wikipedia you are holding them down and making it harder for them to become even more notable, and if they are non-white and/or Hispanic artists you are causing Wikipedia to become an instrument of institutional racism! I invite you to view the works I have referenced and see his charm and artistic magic - maybe not for you, but are you sure that there aren't tens of thousands of viewers in, say, East L.A. or South Texas who are underrepresented in Wikipedia that might really love and remember his works? ...and as to the article itself, yes, the article can be much improved, but I can't do it by myself and if you delete it the Wikipedia community cannot improve it! Please reconsider. Larry Grossman (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Larry Grossman: please don't add another keep to every comment if you wish to comment on another editors vote just use a : to indent your message. I have struck your second keep vote. 02:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it - I had thought that the relisting meant it was a new discussion and I could vote again but it sounds like it is just a continuation of the previous discussion. I would thank you but do not know who to thank since you did not sign your post.Larry Grossman (talk) 04:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see nothing to put them over WP:NACTOR, WP:NMUSIC or even WP:ANYBIO. The only keep argument hasn't offered any solid evidence that any of the criteria have been met. Being nominated for an award is not a criteria for inclusion. Race bias in coverage is not an argument for inclusion, even if it is proven that it is happening for this subject, Wikipedia is not the place to soapbox this. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 02:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. I did find one newspaper article where he was the main subject through my university library: Crystal Olvera (July 29, 2011). "Watch McAllen actor J.d. Mata on HBO's 'True Blood' [8 p.m. Sunday, July 31]". The Monitor. The article is a substantial interview of the actor's role as the Medicine Man on 'True Blood' and his experience on set, as well as covering details of other work he has done in film, music videos, television, etc. However, this is the only substantial source I could find, therefore the actor fails WP:SIGCOV. A hometown boy makes it in Hollywood story isn't notable enough on its own.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://trueblood.fandom.com/wiki/Luca

[2] ttp://lovingtruebloodindallas.blogspot.com/2011/07/watch-mcallen-actor-jd-mata-on-hbos.html

[3] ttps://www.vulture.com/2012/06/lafayette-theory-of-true-blood.html

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 <s>*'''Keep'''</s> I disagree with Liz's immediately above assertion made with no support that the subject is not notable despite all the points of notability I mentioned in the prior discussion; for example, his being nominated for best director for a notable award, the [[Indie Soap Awards]]; however, I would like to raise a new argument supporting his notability which is his triumph over institutionalized racism as a Chicano artist in reaching the level of notability that he has and ask you to re-consider your support of deletion by asking yourself if you might unwittingly be supporting institutionalized racism by applying standards of notability that if applied across the board might cause Wikipedia to be even less diverse and less representative. Give this guy a break! By deleting lesser known, though notable, artists from Wikipedia you are holding them down and making it harder for them to become even more notable, and if they are non-white and/or Hispanic artists you are causing Wikipedia to become an instrument of institutional racism!  I invite you to view the works I have referenced and see his charm and artistic magic - maybe not for you, but are you sure that there aren't tens of thousands of viewers in, say, East L.A. or South Texas who are underrepresented in Wikipedia that might really love and remember his works?  ...and as to the article itself, yes, the article can be much improved, but I can't do it by myself and if you delete it the Wikipedia community cannot improve it! Please reconsider.  [[User:Larry Grossman|Larry Grossman]] ([[User talk:Larry Grossman|talk]]) 01:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 ::{{Ping|Larry Grossman}} please don't add another keep to every comment if you wish to comment on another editors vote just use a : to indent your message. I have struck your second keep vote. 02:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- :::Got it - I had thought that the relisting meant it was a new discussion and I could vote again but it sounds like it is just a continuation of the previous discussion.  I would thank you but do not know who to thank since you did not sign your post.[[User:Larry Grossman|Larry Grossman]] ([[User talk:Larry Grossman|talk]]) 04:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::Got it - I had thought that the relisting meant it was a new discussion and I could vote again but it sounds like it is just a continuation of the previous discussion.  I would thank you but do not know who to thank since you did not sign your post.[[User:Larry Grossman|Larry Grossman]] ([[User talk:Larry Grossman|talk]]) 04:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' I see nothing to put them over [[WP:NACTOR]], [[WP:NMUSIC]] or even [[WP:ANYBIO]]. The only keep argument hasn't offered any solid evidence that any of the criteria have been met. Being nominated for an award is not a criteria for inclusion. Race bias in coverage is not an argument for inclusion, even if it is proven that it is happening for this subject, Wikipedia is not the place to [[WP:SOAPBOX|soapbox]] this. [[User:Mcmatter|McMatter]] <sup>([[User talk:Mcmatter|talk]])</sup>/<sub>([[Special:Contributions/Mcmatter|contrib]])</sub> 02:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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