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I think there is not enough attention paid to entitlement or access to food being a major cause here. I don't know enough to be confident in writing this though. --Jtizzi (talk) 02:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Famine

"The RRC claimed in May 1984 that the failure of the short rains (belg) constituted a catastrophic drought, while neglecting to state that the belg crops form a fourth of crop yields where the belg falls, but none at all in the majority of Tigray." I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. hi there ye citzens of earth! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.224.74 (talk) 21:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would question that statement "context of more than two decades of insurgency and civil war". There had been a decade of insurgency and civil war since the 1974 revolution, not two decades.203.184.41.226 (talk) 02:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

It should probably be noted in the article that this famine occurred within the context of the regime's collectivization of agriculture policies. It wasn't just a natural drought anymore than the failures in North Korea, China Great Leap Forward, and the USSR Ukraine were. This is something that the international media consistently failed to note. Robert Kaplan's "Surrender or Starve" covers it pretty well. And it was these policies, among other things, that led to the revolts in Tigre and Eritrea which this article somewhat ironically credits for the famine.

CBC First to Report

The article says, "BBC news reports brought the famine to public attention." However, CBC's Brian Stewart is accreditted as being the first Western reporter to document the famine. 64.180.219.78 21:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

statistics in article

are the statistics in this article from the time of the famine or are they from modern times?

Map

Hmm..I was under the impression that it affected Eritrea as much as it did Tigray. Perhaps Ethiopia as it was in 1984-5 should be shown and references to the famine in Eritrea be included? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 20:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What Cuased This Famine? Iam sorry i just dont get it what is the actual cuase of the famine? Does anyone have a simple answer that i can use for my school work dont make it too short it has to be a page long.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nojo200 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you're asking someone else to do your homework for you. Did you read the Background section? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote by Alex de Waal

The quote at the end of the intro, saying that famine relief prolonged the war, and with it, human suffering, is not supported by anything in the article, and seems out of context. I suggest removing the quote or adding context to explain or support its thesis. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 03:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems out of context because of the assumption that the famine relief effort had a beneficial effect, which is not necessarily the case. That quotation, which I added, is one of the few things supported by a citation in this article and should definitely not be removed. One can make a better argument that everything not in line with cited content, which is most of the article, should be removed, but I'll try to add some context from de Waal's book. - Banyan Tree 08:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the use of Alex de Waal's book as the primary source for writing this entire article as it was written for Human Rights Watch, and regrettably Human Rights organisations often find they have to emphasise the evils of certain governments in order to gain support for their ideas. this might explain the extensive anti-government bias of the article. While the Ethiopian government of the time was hardly a model government, most modern critical analysis of the famine does not see the government's civil wars as being the major cause of a food shortage. instead the government is seen to have slowed relief efforts and sought to ignore the problem - a poor reaction but not an evil one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.14 (talk) 16:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Entitlement Debate

The causes of the Ethiopian Famine are still being debated now and surely this must be put forward to some extent? There is a major debate as to whether the primary cause of starvation is the collapse of poor Ethiopians entitlements to food (following the Sen argument). This view believes that the drought caused cattle deaths and limited the available work for agricultural labourers, leaving agriculturists and pastoralist without the means to buy food. this is supported by the presence of foodgrains in the country, as the table shows. there was no major lack of food across the whole country, but rather a localised famine. food producers from outside the region had no incentive to import food because the starving had no money to buy it. it would therefore surely be innapropriate to totally blame the government for the famine as it was caused by a combination of poor luck (the drought) and the vulnerability of poor Ethiopians to changes in the market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.15 (talk) 13:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Global dimming?

Can somebody find a better reference for the hypothetical impacts of global dimming on this famine? I don't think the NOVA show (as interesting as it was) provides a definitive scientific perspective on this topic. (Maybe one of the episoide producers can provide a source?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.116.79 (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is the correct name of UNO-Operation in Ethiopia 1984-86 (Equivalent "Operation Lifeline Sudan")

File:TS 24 luroko de AET-SBB.jpg

Dürrehilfe Äthiopien 1984-86. An-26 der DDR-Luftstreitkräfte. Entladung von Hilfsgütern.

Zum Abschnitt Reaktionen "Als Reaktion darauf wurden in großem Umfang Spenden für die Hungernden gesammelt, insbesondere im Rahmen der Live-Aid-/Band-Aid-Konzerte von Musikern wie Bob Geldof. Auch die Regierungen der Industrieländer kamen unter Druck, etwas zu unternehmen."
Die Industrieländer haben ganz enorme Anstrengungen unternommen, den hungernden Menschen zu helfen! So wurde erstmals ein blockübergreifender Lufttransport von Nahrungsmitteln aus den Häfen ins Landesinnere organisiert, der Tausenden von Menschen im Zeitraum 1984-86 ein Überleben ermöglichte. Unter den Bedingungen des kalten Krieges arbeiteten Transportluftfahrzeuge der NATO und des Warschauer Paktes gemeinsam an dieser Aufgabe, u. a. waren Bundeswehr, NVA, Interflug sowie die UdSSR, die USA, Polen, Großbritannien und die Schweiz beteiligt.
Unter welchem Namen ist diese UNO-Operation im Netz zu finden?
Hinweise erbeten auf meiner Diskussionsseite. Danke!
What is the correct name of UNO-Operation in Ethiopia 1984-86 (Equivalent "Operation Lifeline Sudan")
For information please use my users talk.
Thanks a lot. --Frze (talk) 22:17, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide

Any claims of genocide need to be elaborated on in the article using citations before they are added into the text.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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US propaganda as usual

I was a french kid in the 80's, I brought rice to school for Ethiopia. Much later I vaguely heard that this famine, among others, was caused by wars. But it's the first time I learn, NOT from this article, that Ethiopia was a communist country back then. I understand that Wikipedia is American, but is it forbidden to add *one* line in intro and *one* line in the body, doubting the official version?

At least there is *one* sentence to say that there was a famine under Haile Selassie too, which he ignored. (of course they don't say the death toll, no link to all the other capitalist genocides in the history of the world, all in the name of ideology, that if the rich are rich, then it might trickle down in the end, and if the poor don't have bread, why don't they eat croissants? (pastry)

Only *one* line to say that the communist revolution happened *precisely because* of the famines that the capitalists didn't care for. Did BBC make a huge worldwide report about the Haile Selassie capitalist famines? No. They didn't. The famine was hidden by the ethiopian government, and as if by chance, BBC didn't report on capitalist famine. BBC was sleeping well during the Selassie famine.

So Derg did an agrarian reform, distributing land to everyone, while before, the landlords owned the land and the poor could die.

But then another famine happens under communism, despite the efforts to fix the problem? => All of a sudden Ethiopia gets worldwide media attention!!! Who was there first? BBC or CIA ?

I'm not joking. I *learnt* that after CIA was caught trying to kill Castro, they changed their tactic : now they would do all regime changing attempts out in the open. But as apparent good deeds. Through CIA financed "charities" and "NGOs".

Selassie famine? Let's not help! Communist famine? Let's call MTV! Let's turn it into a global hippie festival! Let's fly Phil Collins in Concorde supersonic from Baltimore to London so that he can sing at both Baltimore Live Aid and London Live Aid, in Mondovision!

I could die laughing reading the "debates" on this article main page. The trickery is good. Well crafted. You feel you get the two sides of the coin, Oxfam says this, opponents say that. Well crafted! It sounds so neutral, so encyclopedic, for people who unlike me, have no knowledge outside of this page, about CIA counter-insurgency techniques, all in the name of good.

CIA violated my 8 year old kid's ideals. And now Wikipedia.

Give me a break. All this happened more than 30 years ago. CIA doesn't care about 30 years ago. They care about Yemen now. And the BBC is not there, no live Aid, no Concorde, no Phil Collins, while people are dying by the millions. CIA doesn't care about 30 years ago. So why does Wikipedia not say the truth at last? Is it so important to lie now, now that USSR is overthrown (see _the Shock Doctrine_ by Naomi Klein, where she proves that CIA used a *temporary* crisis in USSR to make the whole country collapse, and then "offer" a regime change, as if they were the Saviors, and of course through the "help" of "charities" like BBC, CIA, Oxfam, Human Rights Watch, Navy Seals, Amnesty International, IMF... But the questions that this article asks is : "Has Oxfam helped the ethiopian communist Regime with its money? Some say that yes. But other scholars say that no." Lol. And of course zero scholars are saying that Oxfam, with the CIA behind, was working *against* the Regime? Lol. inb4 "Fix the article, everyone is free to edit, it's capitalism, it's freedom here, do something!" => Unfortunately I'm not a scholar. I helped raise money for those charities as a salary man (not anymore). *They* have millions to pay scholars to do authorized research that ends up quoted in this article. I don't. I can't fix this article without becoming a professional researcher. I used to contribute to wikipedia much more, not much anymore, the dice are loaded, experience speaks.

At least maybe that talk page message won't be censored, and maybe I won't get a temporary ban (again).

I read below in the talk page about the Sen's, probably Amartya Sen's (economy ~Nobel) debate. It's sad when you learn more in the talk page than in the main, CIA page. --Montalte (talk) 05:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]