Talk:Proto-Indo-Europeans

Iran is "South Of Caucasus"

Included Iran in section because David Reich explicitly mentioned Iran as being "South of the Caucasus" -- 19:20, 9 August 2019‎ 104.188.185.139

"Ancient DNA available from this time in Anatolia shows no evidence of steppe ancestry similar to that in the Yamnaya (although the evidence here is circumstantial as no ancient DNA from the Hittites themselves has yet been published). This suggests to me that the most likely location of the population that first spoke an Indo-European language was south of the Caucasus Mountains, perhaps in present-day Iran or Armenia, because ancient DNA from people who lived there matches what we would expect for a source population both for the Yamnaya and for ancient Anatolians. If this scenario is right the population sent one branch up into the steppe-mixing with steppe hunter-gatherers in a one-to-one ratio to become the Yamnaya as described earlier- and another to Anatolia to found the ancestors of people there who spoke languages such as Hittite." - David Reich, Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past. New York: Pantheon, 2018.

climate with winter snow

Watkins obviously has never been outside England or even Europe in winter. We find winter snow even in northern Africa and in the Levante, let alone the generally assumed homelands Anatolia, or, better, Eurasian steppes. From this primitive kind of palaeolinguistics has suffered a whole gneration of Indo-Europeanists up to the present, not because of the method but because of their very poor knowledge of environment, biology, and archaeology. I therefore started cancelling the "snow" nonsense. There is a lot more.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:7959:B579:688D:805E (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

It rules out much of India... AnonMoos (talk) 05:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

No. Fancy the migration route into India. Pleas have a look on any map.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:1098:BDE6:C738:9417 (talk) 09:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Anthropological depiction of proto IE people?

proto-IE people looked like Gypsy people or Iranians, black hair brown eyes olive skin.--II.kerulet (talk) 05:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe this is necessarily the case, there isn't a widely-accepted theory in regards to Indo-European phenotypes, and it's very much possible the PIE were a group of phenotypically diverse tribes united under a common language or culture. --II.GGiustiniani (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Mislocated paragraph

A duplicate para "Kurgan hypothesis" was mistakenly placed within the "Genetics" chapter; done.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:1098:BDE6:C738:9417 (talk) 09:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Logical nonsense

Who writes such non-logical nonsense as "postglacial [sic](Holocene) spread of the R1a1 haplogroup from north of the Black Sea during [sic] the time of the Late Glacial Maximum, ..."2A02:8108:9640:AC3:1098:BDE6:C738:9417 (talk) 09:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

And what kind of editor chooses to remove solid facts instead of improving such perceived non-logicalities? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Dear JJ, I did not object the "facts", as you might conceive but the contradictions and tautologies - if you kno what that is...?

"Centum branch"

The concept "centum branch" as subdivision of PIE is long outdated, because identified as later development. See any modern textbook.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:61BA:41CB:5788:1115 (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)