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==Reverted move of Makhnovia==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, and thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Des Vallee|your contributions]] to Wikipedia. Your bold move of [[:Makhnovia]] has been reverted because an editor has found it to be controversial. Per [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]], a move request must be placed on the article's talk page, and the request be open for discussion for seven days, "[[Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves|if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested]]". If you believe that this move is appropriate, please initiate such a discussion to form the appropriate consensus. Again, please note that moving a page with a longstanding title and/or a large number of incoming links is more likely to be considered controversial, and may be contested. Note that such consensus is particularly required before moving a title with incoming links in order to create a disambiguation page at that title.<!-- Template:Movereverted --> -[[User:Thespoondragon|Thespündragon]] 02:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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Would you kindly explain to me what this edit summary is about? --GGT (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GGT There is use of pro-Turkish sources, that's all I didn't mean any offense just the sources are undue. Des Vallee (talk) 22:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article talks about human rights violations against Greek Cypriots living in Turkish Cypriot-controlled territory, so I find this statement puzzling. Why do you think the sidebar is necessary? The article is about a group of people, discrimination against them is only part of the discussion. This is akin to adding the discrimination sidebar to the article on Jews because it discusses antisemitism. Unsurprisingly, my personal take on this is that this could be offensive to this group of people. --GGT (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GGT Hey, can we bring this to the talk page of Cyprus? I would love to speak their instead of my talk page, I can give my rational there. Isn't really the place to discuss here. Overall if you don't find necessary I won't revert and also lack much knowledge on the subject, however usually for statistics we only include controlled territory, the de-facto situation as an example Ukraine. I won't revert any further if only because to stop long painful discussions. Des Vallee (talk) 22:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a different article about the Greek Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. I have worked on such articles on and off for a number of years - if you say that it's OK for me to revert I will do so, as I am convinced that the sidebar is inappropriate. --GGT (talk) 23:03, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GGT Fair, for Greek Cypriots in Northern Cyprus you made your position clear. Des Vallee (talk) 23:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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ANI comment

Thankyou for your comment on the ANI against me. The whole thing wears me out. Especially the editor who maliciously attacked me for edits that were done 8 years ago. It is really galling that people falsely represent the issues in those edits in such a one sided way. The reality is that Category:American women novelists was created by a woman who wanted Wikipedia to shift away from an inordinate high number of articles on pornographic film actresses and show case instead women who were notable for writing. I did my contributions because at the time I did not fully understand the ERGS exception to categorization rules. The journalists and editors who engaged in character assassination against me did so on the odd assumption that it is better to directly and maliciously insult someone than to let stand a deep linguistic action that if you think about it a lot insults people, but you have to think about it a lot. Also note that despite the best efforts to muddy the waters American women novelists remains as a category. Sorry if this was too long. I just need to say some of these things.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Johnpacklambert Nice I do agree some consensual restrictions could be good, everyone makes mistakes and that's ok. Sometimes limited restrictions are good the proposed are possibly bad (only put in AFD's in my life), but trust me they are not as bad as they seem. And if you don't need them you could get rid of them in month. In fact you stating so would probably help, like "I will make an effort to do x" is the best system or you proposing something. Anyone keep editing Wikipedia and thanks! Des Vallee (talk) 02:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing indentation

Dear Des Vallee, in this comment at ANI, it seems you are talking about the user Drassow, who used the term "manchild" ([1]). If so (great to be back on topic!), you might want to un-indent and bullet-point your comment, since now it appears as if you are speaking about Alexis Jazz. Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 04:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apaugasma Yea I mean Drassow sorry I am not caught up fully in this situation I will be clear that is just Drassow. Des Vallee (talk) 06:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it, of course extremely minor not changing the meaning, thanks for telling me this I didn't know that it could be meant as not Drassow. Sorry about the possible kerfuffle. Des Vallee (talk) 06:15, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok Signpost I get it please stop. Des Vallee (talk) 19:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Beaver wars

Sorry for my revert on your addition to Beaver wars. Thanks for adding sources. A bit of a nitpick though: On pages 33–34, van den Hout mentions a beaver building a dam in the Bronx in 2007, and a second in 2010. "the first beavers to return to the City in more than two centuries" is a bit different than "beaver populations in North America would take centuries to recover in some areas", which suggests that they already have recovered. As far as I can tell, they never have. Do your other sources give any indication that there is an area where they have beaver populations have (fully) recovered? That would be great news. Vexations (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vexations You are correct, Beaver populations in most areas (like the Midwest) have never fully recovered to before European trading for Beaver pelts, practically no organism has recovered to pre-Industrial or even pre-Human contact levels of populations. So perhaps there is some better wording. Anyway if we look at Beaver we can see that it is currently least concern and indeed beaver populations have steadily recovered since the 19th century (source) going from endangered to least concern, so many beaver populations have recovered slightly it's still however, extremely depressingly small compared to their original population. There are currently 6-12 million Beavers of an original population of 60–400 million. So I agree there should be some better wording as Beaver populations are still depressingly small to this day compared to their original population. Many thanks. Des Vallee (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Platypoda

Hi, you seem to be continually reverting my edits on Platypoda on the request to merge into Monotremata. Instead of doing this, please contribute to the discussion in the appropriate way. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

YorkshireExpat I don't think you are that familiar to Wikipedia but what are you doing isn't a move request. Please desist, I was reviewing the request only to find that not only is it not a move request instead being a glorified discussion but also the reason for the merge was completely non-sensical, I don't know if you know this but being a sub-order article on Wikipedia is not a cause for deletion what so ever. Des Vallee (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Des Vallee It's not move, it's a merge. Platypoda does not appear to be an accepted taxon so why does it need a page? Anyway, you shouldn't just revert people's edits in this way. If they are 'not that familiar' with the ways of Wikipedia they need to have things explained in a reasonable manner. I would be happy to withdraw if you engage in a reasonable manner. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 06:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
YorkshireExpat I am happy to help out, the main issue is that you didn't do a correct formatting. I fixed your merge request and added the correct templates. you didn't do the correct formatting or use any templates for the a merge see Proposing a merge on Wikipedia you need to include a template for the merge. You need to do this for two reason, one it allows discussions to be standardized and much more importantly it allows administrators to review merges much more easier as they can use tools that automatically brings them to these pages and even chime in. If you don't do this merge requests could set there for months, or years without getting attention which your merge request did because reviewing admins can't access it easily. Anyway it's now a merge request and users interested in evolution can not more easily get involved in the discussion moreover now people can see it hasn't been open for over two months. The one major issue I think is the merge rationale. I don't quite understand it, if could explain it here it would be great. Many thanks Des Vallee (talk) 07:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] - yes, I agree. But I am 100% sure this involves sockpuppetry [3]. It is better wait until an SPI request will be processed and resolved one way or another. That can save a lot of time. My very best wishes (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK. You are right of course. Fixing content should be our first priority. My very best wishes (talk) 14:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok sounds good, I can immediately tell by the IP's, as they have clear knowledge of Wikipedia and come in and out of existence to either revert something give a warning or comment and then disappear, they also have to specific edits to be anything other then an obvious sock. I can tell users like Elsen is also likely a sock. Des Vallee (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverted move of Makhnovia

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