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Invest 94L

Because Invest 94L is going to bring heavy downpours and possible flooding to Texas regardless of development, should we create a page for it before it develops? 47.17.48.231 (talk) 13:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If ((94L) Tropical Storm Nicholas strengthens, perhaps into a hurricane, before making landfall, then definitely create a draft article; if it makes landfall as a weak tropical storm causing minimal damage, then maybe not. Drdpw (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas 2 mph?

There seems to be a typo where Nicholas suddenly went from 12 to 2 miles per hour for 2 updates and then a roughly bumped back to 12 miles per hour an hour later. B137 (talk) 05:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@B137: Nicholas' center reformed, which probably messed with its movement in the advisories. Akber mamps 05:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Auxiliary List

I have a question should we add the Auxiliary list since we are 2 names away from it or is it too soon still? Wikihelp7586 (Talk) 23:56, 24 September 2021

I think we should do something like we did last year and add maybe the first six names from the list. TornadoLGS (talk) 00:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

→ Link to last year's discussion: Talk:2020 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 1#Greek letter names in Storm names section

Perhaps add a portion of the list but keep the unused names hidden until active. Drdpw (talk) 00:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TornadoLGS and Drdpw I agree with you guys we should add some of the names on there like last year. Wikihelp7586 (Talk) 00:30, 25 September 2021

Yes we should add it and after the end of the season we can remove all the unused names. Hurricane4235 (talk) 10:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Pacific typhoon articles, the first ten names of the auxiliary list are shown year-round. Perhaps we should do the same? 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:59, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With only two names left on the original list, we should follow the procedure we did last year and add the list, but keep all but a few names hidden until more form. For example, we could show the first six and if the list extends past say that 3rd or 4th name in the aux list, then reveal another set. Gum balls 678 talk 21:15, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2 is very close to running of standard names so I think we should add auxiliary list names HurricaneResearch (talk) 22:45, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Going by last year's practice, this is what should be added:


Auxiliary list
Adria (unused) Braylen (unused)	Caridad (unused) Deshawn (unused)	Emery (unused) Foster (unused)

If there are no objections, and if no one beats me to it, this is what I will add to the article (I will probably hold off until tomorrow, before implementing). Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 00:05, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thx for presenting that here and making us sure that there will actually be a auxiliary list HurricaneResearch (talk) 01:02, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Compared to the standard names, The auxiliary names are strange and are not common HurricaneResearch (talk) 01:26, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add a Wikipedia page for Hurricane Sam (2021)

Do you guys think should we make a page on Wikipedia for Sam? Since it a Cat 4 and Other major storms do have a page (example: Grace, Ida and Larry). HurricaneResearch (talk) 22:49, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneResearch: Hey there! It doesn't seem to be needed quite yet, as there are no forecasted or known impacts at the time, whereas there were for Grace, Ida, and Larry. If there end up being impacts from Sam, we could create an article then. codingcyclone ^{please ping}/_{my wreckage} 23:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@codingcyclone My thoughts on the location the impact will be happening is in the Northern Leeward Islands and Bermuda HurricaneResearch (talk) 23:47, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneResearch: Per WP:FORUM, this is not the place to speculate on impact locations. Creating an article based on such speculation would violate WP:CRYSTAL. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let just wait until Sam dissipate and all the information gathered in we will actually see the impact locations HurricaneResearch (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there at least maybe a draft for Sam currently? Kaiser Jaguar (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@KaiserJaguar No. I sent a draft but sadly they reviewed it and Rejected. HurricaneResearch (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They reviewed it hours after I sent it HurricaneResearch (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose @HurricaneResearch: Please do not resubmit the draft until notability is established and reliable sources are present. WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Destroyer (Alternate account) 02:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Too soon Wait, as it is too soon to know whether this Storm will have a close encounter with Bermuda or Atlantic Canada; looks like Sam will steer east of the Northern Leeward Islands. Drdpw (talk) 02:36, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wait we need to wait, if Hurricane Sam will impact. HurricaneEdgar 03:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Too soon I do not oppose creating a page on Sam but it is too soon. We can do it like how we did it for Larry. Hurricane4235 (talk) 03:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I Did It! My draft on Hurricane Sam is public now but it a work in progress draft. What in the draft are the current details not the final details so I will finish it when Sam dissipate HurricaneResearch ([[User talk: HurricaneResearch | talk ] ] ) 12:42, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My draft is not the most reliable. It will be finished as soon as Sam dissipates HurricaneResearch ([[User talk: HurricaneResearch | talk ] ] ) 14:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Too soon Realistically, we should wait until Tuesday (or probably later) to even begin a draft. Sure, Sam's meteorological history is quite interesting, but until we get some clear picture of possible land impacts, I'm opposed to creating a draft just yet, even if Sam does something notable (e.g. become a Category 5). I say Tuesday because by then we can definitely determine where Sam may go (in regards to the Leeward Islands), or most likely much later when a clear path for Sam is beginning to set in stone (in regards to Bermuda/U.S. East Coast/Atlantic Canada). Kaiser Jaguar (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait My money's on Sam being fairly notable even if it doesn't affect land, but whether or not that necessitates an article is TBD. No need to rush one yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. News reports say that Sam will be a long lived storm and say that Sam can live until next weekend or Friday HurricaneResearch ([[User talk: HurricaneResearch | talk ] ] ) 18:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneResearch: A tropical cyclone being long-lived is not merit enough for an article. For a tropical cyclone to have its own article, it needs to have a clear amount of impacts and coverage in reliable sources (e.g. Tropical Storm Fay (2020)) or be meteorologically notable (e.g. Hurricane Grace (1991)). At present, Sam is neither of these since it didn't break any meteorological records, and, as far as we know, didn't cause any impacts. If, later, it breaks a significant record or has impacts somewhere, we can create an article then. Thank you. codingcyclone ^{please ping}/_{my wreckage} 18:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneResearch: Agreed with CodingCyclone. We also do not create articles based on what a storm is forecast to do, only what it actually does. Again see WP:CRYSTAL and TOOSOON. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If Sam does become a Category 5 (which is possible at this stage), would that be notably enough meteorologically to render a draft? (While I'd disagree with this sentiment, I'd understand if a draft was made in such scenario). Kaiser Jaguar (talk) 20:16, 26 September 2021 (UTC)Kaiser Jaguar[reply]

It would not be. If Sam were to become a category 5, while it would be in rare company in its current area, that itself is not enough to warrant a draft creation. We need to wait and see what potential impacts Sam has on Bermuda and Eastern North America before we discuss further a draft. Gum balls 678 talk 22:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mindy article

Why hasn’t there been an article on tropical storm Mindy yet? Though Mindy was short lived, It still had some effects on land and is notable enough that it should have it’s own article. IBlazeCat (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mindy did hit land (Florida) but I would consider notable if it was hurricane strength. HurricaneResearch ([[User talk: HurricaneResearch | talk ] ] ) 22:46, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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	Why hasn’t there been an article on tropical storm Mindy yet? Though Mindy was short lived, It still had some effects on land and is notable enough that it should have it’s own article. [[User:IBlazeCat\|IBlazeCat]] ([[User talk:IBlazeCat\|talk]]) 22:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)		Why hasn’t there been an article on tropical storm Mindy yet? Though Mindy was short lived, It still had some effects on land and is notable enough that it should have it’s own article. [[User:IBlazeCat\|IBlazeCat]] ([[User talk:IBlazeCat\|talk]]) 22:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

			Mindy did hit land (Florida) but I would consider notable if it was hurricane strength. [[User: HurricaneResearch \| HurricaneResearch ]] ([[ User talk: HurricaneResearch \| talk ] ] ) 22:46, 26 September 2021 (UTC)