Talk:Jo O'Meara

Image

Someone should add a picture of her for the article.I like Radiohead 15:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

SHE IS A RACIST, GL WITH THE DEATH THREATS :)) BURN MOTHERFUCKER BURN

Verify tag

Added the verify tag in anticipation of similar disparaging comments made on other contestants' pages. Jammy Simpson | Talk | 20:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lead singer

Article reads: Formerly the lead singer of the group S Club 7, - Did they have a lead singer? MRSC • Talk 14:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Everyone lately seems to be refering to her as "the voice of S Club 7", but I also thought there was no lead singer. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Protection

This page could do with protection. It seems to be getting as much abuse as the other BB articles. Anyone agree? MRSC • Talk 21:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Should it not be mentioned that she is a racist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.207.27.164 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 17 January 2007.

I have added a mention of the alleged racism in the paragraph on Big Brother. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise, without straying into legal problems.--Conjoiner 23:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

A good compromise but I have requested semi protection from IP edits. The number of reverts justify this I believe. Regan123 23:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems fair. A mention of alleged racism is OK, but statements like 'her behaviour is disgusting, she will be getting some stick...' are not remotely appropriate to an encyclopedia.--Nickpheas 08:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It states thst she was favourite to win when she entered the house, should it not now say that she is 3rd most disliked housemate?Daveegan06 19:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Her racist remarks complete with body language should be mentioned, albeit she has played a minor role. Wallie 22:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Body language is fairly subjective to define. Let's keep it with alleged racist remarks.--Conjoiner 13:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it? I would contend that body language is very clearly defined. You should read text books on the subject. I cannot see that it is subjective. The look of hatred on anyone's face is a clear signal to all who see it. Wallie 07:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

'allegedly racial sentiments'

What does that mean? I've never heard that phrase used before to describe this. It sounds like a euphemism or compromised phrase for 'racist comments'. Let's not allude to things - either say outright or not at all. Lets be more clear, and pop a citation in too. MRSC • Talk 15:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It is debateable whether her comments were racist or just ignorant, hence "allegedly".--Conjoiner 15:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Even a little child knows what they are doing. Jo O'Meara is a highly successful business woman. However, it should be pointed out that she is a minor player, and not in the same category and the ringlinder, Danielle Lloyd. Wallie 07:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Classism

Surely she has been accused of classist rather than elitist remarks - I have made this change in the article. I don't think we could find a source alleging elitism, but for classism - Trevor Phillips: "What we are seeing is a noxious brew of old-fashioned class conflict, straightforward bullying, ignorance and quite vicious racial bigotry," (quoted in Danielle Lloyd article). Saluton 00:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Jo's part in "elitism" or "classism" is debatable. Elitism is more appropriate, as it implies the speaker is above the recipient of the abuse. Classism works both ways. Wallie 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Minor role or Major role? Bear in mind she said Indians are sick all the time because they don't cook properly

I think that Jo's main involvement is to "go along" with the attitudes of Danielle and Jade. If she is guilty of this, then everyone else in the house is too, as NOT ONE of the others stuck up for Shilpa. Her comments about the food being undercooked are hardly bullying etc., as it may have been undercooked. She could have kept her opinions to herself, though, as Shilpa was doing her best. I do think that Jo is not in the same league as (unrepentant) Danielle, the leader, or the very loud Jade. Wallie 14:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think we need to add a racist or racism category for this girl. Her racist behaviour on this programme was a very significant event in India. I also heard reports of HMV and Virgin removing S Club 7 singles and albums from their shelves (her solo album sold so poorly, I doubt it was still stocked). TMF and Smash Hits have also pulled S Club 7 song "Reach" from their schedules. 86.143.134.17 15:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Hi. She only made comments about Indian food, did she not? Is this really racist. I have heard many non-English make jokes about English "cuisine", but I would not consider them racists. I think that the fact that she was part of the "gang" of three does implicate her, but you have to agree she is not as bad as the other two. Wallie 16:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• • • No. It was a racist comment about Indians and how they prepare food. It shows a complete lack of understanding of other cultures. And the fact that she won't apologise shows utter contempt over the fact that people were offended. It's like saying "the people who were offended were wrong because I don't have a racist perspective". Well people were offended, and they can't be wrong for that - she won't take back her words, therefore she's currently demonstrating a racist attitude.

In terms of the role of Jo, in the following weeks, it will be seen whether she is considered to have played less of a role (as opposed to whilst she is still in the house). My view is that she has equal culpability given her sneering, laughter (esp when asked for assistance) at Shilpa etc. We are not able to assert with any certainty as to a 'minor role'--ScMeGr 20:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, adding a reference to a 'minor role' is not NPOV and should be removed asap. --ScMeGr 01:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it? I think it is the truth. How can you compare a minor criticism of Indian food against the dreadful statements made by Lloyd, and not say she played a minor part. Are you trying to be factual or are just trying to nail Miss O'Meara? Wallie 20:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Perfectly factual thank you. --ScMeGr 13:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Subsection? Or change the name of this article to "Jo O'Meara: Unrepentent, Racist Pig"?

Not particularly a sub-section which points the racist card, but more lists the racist remarks she has made to Shetty. I have a few but I haven't watched the episodes so there may as well be more. They have something similar for Shetty's wiki page. Unsigned User

Both of the pages of the other two participants have subsections devoted to the issue. It would seem appropriate to add one here.Buyo 01:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• There was a rumour on Saturday that she has a tatoo of the Nazi symbol on her bum. Any information on this please for the article? We also need to include her poor reception at the eviction; her refusal to attend the press conference; her refusal to follow jade's lead and donate her fee to charity; and her refusal to apologise. Also Heat magazine had a picture of her in a horrible outfit this week, with her fat belly hanging out of some jeans.

• No she does not have a tatoo of the Nazi symbol on her bum. It is a tatoo of a butterfly. Journo1977 05:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I heard that too - a butterfly tattoo, but it's a butterfly in the shape of a swastika. 172.209.90.158 17:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

She is racist, but like all proper racists she just doesn't know it because she is stupid

"I'M NOT SORRY AND I'D DO IT AGAIN," she says, defending her comments about Indians being skinny saying: "They should take what I said as a compliment." See here and judge for yourselves: http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=exclusive-bb-jo%2D-i%2Dm-not-sorry-and-i%2Dd-do-it-again%26method=full%26objectid=18541354%26siteid=62484-name_page.html

Just take this page down

Best of all would be to remove Jo O'Meara's wiki page. She is racist (DEEPLY, UNAPOLOGETICALLY RACIST) and a bad influence on potential fans. She should get out of the limelight, and this page taken down. She has no right to be immortalised to such an extensive degree.

• No, we need to report on the truth. Jo's vileness is there for all to see. She has betryaed all those who stuck by her and continued to buy her albums and singles. Also note that her agent died on Sunday, sending her into further depression (it was on Teletext page 140 today). I think her career is in ruins anyway, she only was successful in S Club becuase the likes of Rachel and Tina were more attractive for the boys. She is also heavily in debt.

Being racist is not one of the criteria for deleting pages. If anything, the Big Brother controversy only makes her even more notable. If you are still interested in having the page deleted, follow the instructions at WP:AFD. Tra (Talk) 22:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Posting on Forums?

Allegedly has been posting over the past couple of days on the offical C4 Celebrity Big Brother forum under the name of "9791MOJ" (her initials and birthyear written backwards). Uncomfirmed if it is the actual person herself tho, a close friend or family member, or just an obsessive fan. Originally there was a long post made by this person (now removed), where on 3 or more parts they "slipped up" and would change from typing "Jo" "her" "she" etc to typing "me" and "I" etc. Has posted a few things on there that she has then gone on to say in interviews in newspapers and magazines afterwards. A copy of the original post by "her" on there (complete with contradictions) can be found below. Journo1977 23:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Original post:

Regarding Jo, for The Record...

Jo isn't and never has been a racist. The show was badly edited to make her look like one. I've read a lot of the hurtful, angry comments directed at her today on this forum. Please guys, you have it all wrong. Do you think former bandmate Bradley Mcintosh would have been going on programs to campaign & support me if she was racist? Jo has a cousin that is married to an Indian man. Her cousins are even half Indian, and they are both with me all the time. Yes She didn't click with Shilpa. Yes Jo was irritated by Shilpa a lot of the time. Why does it have to be a racist thing tho? Why can't Jo just get annoyed with Shilpa without it having to be because she is racist? Does this mean in this day and age that one person can not dislike someone and not gel with them if they are in a different ethnic group or of a different race? Are we only allowed to get aggrivated by people from our own culture, race and background?

And as for the giggling. Jo doesn't find it at all funny. And nerves do make her giggle. It's the way she deals with her nerves and awkward situations. She would always go into fits of laughter before we went out to perform in S Club. People thought she was on something that she shouldn't have been.

I still don't see what it is that I have supposed to have done that is racist? I don't see it. Yes, Jo was irritated by Shilpa and didn't get on so well. There was no racism tho. You the public was made to think this by Big Brother. You've been conned and you've fallen for it.

Take care, stay safe & be lucky.

PS - I am not racist.

This could possibly be added if it was confirmed by another source, e.g. a newspaper or a website. A forum post on its own, however, is not a reliable source. Even if it was confirmed, it probably shouldn't be added as posting on a forum is not something very notable. Tra (Talk) 22:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Slot machines

"indulge in her hobby of playing the slot machines in her home town of Romford. [citation needed]"

is this just an insult or is there any truth to this as a hobby? sounds to me that its someones joke?GazMan7 15:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Allegedly she ran up huge gambling debts last year, which is why her house is being repossessed (there were newspaper stories about it at the time). Jaycey 13:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's one of the articles from Feb 1, 2006 in the Sun: Link.