Talk:Ror

An irrelevant source

I found out that Dialogue & Daggers:Notion of Authority and Legitimacy in the Early Delhi Sultanate 1192 C.E.-1316 C.E. p. 167. ISBN 9789384318468, written by Ayan Shome, was added in this page as a reference. However, this book doesn't even mention about the Rors!

Please check the reference. Arnab2305 (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Page 167. - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Reference to Steppe Ancestry

Forgive my unfamiliarity with Wikipedia processes, I stumbled upon something that might be worth including in the article. From the page "Yamnaya culture" there is a reference and direct link to this page based on genetic study which shows a high representation of early steppe ancestry in Ror people.

"The Rors stand out in South Asia as the population with the highest proportion of Steppe ancestry".

Pathak AK, Kadian A, Kushniarevich A, Montinaro F, Mondal M, Ongaro L, et al. (6 December 2018). "The Genetic Ancestry of Modern Indus Valley Populations from Northwest India". The American Journal of Human Genetics. 103 (6): 918–929. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2018.10.022. PMC 6288199. PMID 30526867.

2600:1700:2AB1:8540:645F:D816:29CD:73B5 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

We do not use genetics papers in caste articles. - Sitush (talk) 10:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

History section full of unsourced propaganda

@Kautilya3: - There is repeated vandalism/propaganda on history section. There is no source for "Ror Dynasty" being linked to Rors of Haryana. It says Arora Dynasty in second source, not Ror.

First source has NO mention of Ror Dynasty at all! and second source mentions Arora Dynasty. Nothing in sources links anything to Rors of Haryana. Nor any ties of Ror to Sindh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ror#History

Please look into it and remove this vandalism/propaganda.117.198.113.124 (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: - I looked through the page history and it was added by banned user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anuragtaya - Their propaganda edits were not removed from history section, please look into it. 117.198.113.124 (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

NitinMlk, can you help? It looks like the problematic edits are in this diff, but there are also good edits in there. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Thank you, the problem is entirely history section, Sindh Arora Dynasty being passed off as Ror Haryana/UP here. No problem with Infobox though. 117.198.113.124 (talk) 17:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: "Aror Dynaty" page name was changed to "Ror Dynasty" by this User recently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ror84here Please take note. 117.198.113.124 (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Please look into this also, history section is full of propaganda by Ror84here, even changed Aror Dynasty page to Ror Dynasty just to fit his propaganda.117.198.112.153 (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey !! I think problem was created by user param arora who manipulates the Ror page and also added name relevant to Ror as he got blocked from Wikipedia due to his culprits he created propganda and modifies all names of ror to arora in pages and creating propganda himself. It is necessary to maintain decorum to preserve some pages history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Param.arora&action=view Ror84here (talk) 11:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I removed it & then saw this discussion. The entire section was a house of cards. - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Linking people to castes

Unless a living person can be shown to self-identify as a member of a particular caste in a reliable source, we do not show them in caste lists. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Varna

Even if we had a reliable source for it, consensus has long been that varna is not mentioned in lead sections (and, by extension, in infoboxes & short descriptions). - Sitush (talk) 10:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

You can mention in any other section as page contains limited information I think this the basic intro about Ror

Answer all queries Who are Ror , What is Ror and can be mentioned in section as population and varna is a part of caste identity as well . Ror84here (talk) 10:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it could be but (a) you know the source is not reliable and (b) even now, you keep adding it to the lead section. I should add that if you do find a reliable source, the chances are high that I find one which contradicts it - that is the way it is with most agricultural castes. - Sitush (talk) 13:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey sources are non reliable in case of genetics details but I am not providing genetics details Dna and color and any Race particular, The think that got mentioned are also sourced in that article and are correct for (a) secondly,If you think In Lead section It should be not getting mentioned so you can add it to below sections, I think adding this details in noticable persons is also a funny thing that only above section seems relevant for adding that info and page contains limited amount or negligible information about Rors as I think you should have to add to make it more transparent and objective on Ror page Ror84here (talk) 13:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

We don't disregard policy etc just because an article is short. Genetics papers are u reliable for caste matters, period. What expertise does a geneticist have regarding ancient historical socio-religious terminology? Where did they obtain that knowledge? - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Last best version

Article needs to be reverted to last best version, which is 1317 yesterday. Not sure if it is socks, meats or just cluelessness but a lot of rubbish has come back since then & I cannot revert it myself due to 3RR (also, a very tortuous process on mobile!) - Sitush (talk) 07:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Article is largely devoid of useful information

I note that the article, as it is now(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ror&oldid=1038138876) provides very little information that a reader would find useful. Some of the information from the earlier versions should be restored.

"Ror is an Indian caste."
"In the parts of Baiswara in Uttar Pradesh that are inhabited by Ror people,[1] Rors along with groups such as the Chauhans and Tomars are associated with Delhi and its outskirts."
"The migration history of Rors began and ended in Haryana, a region north of Delhi.[2]"

They don't tell me much.

Specifically the reports based on scholarly studies should be mentioned. Discussion of Varna (it is a problematic issue, since there is no established standard for judging that) should be avoided. If legends are mentioned, their sources should be cited. A modern oral legend is not as useful as a tradition with some literary history. Malaiya (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Which scholarly studies do you mean? One of the difficulties with this article has always been that the Ror do not appear to have attracted much academic interest. However, that article might appear to be short is not a reason to relax our policies and guidelines. - Sitush (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Query

LaundryPizza03, this edit seems like a good-faith oversight, as the source does mention Rors on page no. 167. Here's the relevant quote:

Helpful indications were ethnographies compiled during the era of the British Raj. For example it is reported that Chauhan (Chahamana) Rajputs had numerous settlements on the outskirts of Delhi by the early part of the twentieth century.⁶ Also in large numbers were Tomar (Tomara) Rajputs, a clan historically connected with the Chauhans.⁷ Also interestingly, not only these groups, but other groups as well, had a migration history that was by their own traditions quite modest. Another warrior pastoralist group, the Rors, had a migration history that began and ended within Haryana, a region just north of Delhi.⁸

So I guess the details and the relevant content should be reinstated. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@NitinMlk: Okay, it has been restored. But this is the only mention in the book, which I can't preview, and doesn't explain enough about the history of the Ror. Are there other reliable sources about this? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

LaundryPizza03, I apologise for the extreme delay. You are right that it's just a passing mention in the source. In fact, the Rors are just mentioned to show the example of those groups who had a "migration history that was by their own traditions quite modest." And I haven't seen any other reliable source covering this detail. Also, see my edit summary. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@NitinMlk: Thanks, removed as too vague. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2021

Add Neeraj Chopra name . 2409:4053:E11:8B44:978A:C10E:6C64:20EB (talk) 11:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The migration of Rors begin and end in Haryana. Explanation

The Ror became an independent caste identity in Haryana itself 261 years ago after the third battle of Panipat. More than one Kshatriya (warriors) groups fighting on the Maratha side settled in Haryana after the war. The caste emerged to become the present Ror Caste of Haryana. Find references to suit your needs. Thanks Wikieditor1008 (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

No, the WP:BURDEN is on you to find reliable sources, and if you repeatedly make unfounded statements such as this on talk pages it is quite possible that you will find yourself blocked. - Sitush (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Addition of History and Notable people

Dear Wikipedia, with due respect, I want to conferm some changes on this page with the help of suitable references. And I'll make sure that the viewers must enoy a better experience.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2021

Neeraj Chopra ( Olympic Gold Medalist ) is also from Ror Caste. He is from Khandra Village in Panipat (Haryana). 2409:4051:4E08:790C:0:0:9908:6208 (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See this - hako9 (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Correction needed on the article immediately.

The Ror caste does not belong to Sikhism at all and The ror caste does not practice Sikhism ever, however we do respect to all culture and religions.

I request to Wikipedia please make correction on the page.

Thank you 2605:8D80:668:228B:A532:5457:CB8E:591A (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)