Talk:Quadruple jump

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This page was created because the history of the quad can no longer be found anywhere on the internet, although it used to be maintained several years ago. The information was mostly taken from a saved html page that was lying on my hard drive since 2000, and I have updated it somewhat (but only with documented events -- undocumented events are from the original document). Since that info is public knowledge, I assume that there is no copyright problem (in fact, the original page did not claim any copyright at all).

The list is definitly not complete. Some of the listed events are "official" (meaning recognized officially by the ISU), and some others are from ice skating lore. For instance, Robert Wagenhoffer was widely known to have been practicing quads in the 70's before anybody else, and to have landed his first in 79. Although there is no "proof", it hasn't ever, to my knowledge, been questionned.

There is no doubt that a few clean landings in competitions are missing, especially when considering National championships, as these did not generate as much noise as international competitions. However, for the same reason, less documentation is available to verify the claims this page may potentially generate.

It would be great if someone could include significant quad-related events for ladies after 2002... It does not seem to make sense however to keep going with the men (except for other quad firsts when they'll happen, like quad axel for instance), as quads have become the norm there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 21:23, 3 January 2008

I see your point. However, on Wikipedia, things do need to verifiable and cited properly. Most of these things have no citations, and undocumented occurances that "everyone" knows about still need to be properly cited. As most of this, as you said, is from a website of unknown copyright, I suggest merging this page entirely into Figure skating jumps and removing everything that can't be cited, or that has been outright stolen from another website in violation of copyright. Kolindigo (talk) 21:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrt to merging with the main Figure Skating page, that might make sense. The reason a separate page was originally made was because "quad", as a figure skating term, was listed in the disambiguation page for "Quad". My opinion is that the history of the quad would overload the main figure skating page with a whole bunch of dates that probably few people are interested in, but if you guys think it makes sense, I have no problem with that, I just thought it made more sense that way.

Wrt to deleting entries that have no citation, I would suggest waiting until someone has at least tried to find references to these events. If noone else cares about this, I can continue with this research, as I have added a few references already, and hope to find more authoritative ones.

What is your suggestion for entries such as Robert Wagenhoffer's ? It's clear we can find references to the fact that he was training on quads in the 70's, but I don't think any of this is ever going to be authoritative, certainly no news about his landing it is going to be so. Perhaps changing this entry to something like "Claims that Robert Wagenhoffer lands a quad in training are circulating", or something to that effect, so as to make clear the nature of the information ? Certainly, removing it altogether would be removing an important part of skating lore, as it pertains to the quad. Let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 21:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to try and clean up the page using your recommendations, adding references where I can. I'm hoping we can keep the unreferenced entries in the meantime, until I've had a chance to perform the additional research. I'll do my best to do that quickly so as not to leave this page in this state for too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dolitos (talk • contribs) 22:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

-Why does the first paragraph state that no skater has completed a Quad Axel in competition, then go on to list all the completed Quadruple Axels in competition history? If there is a distinction between what's said and what is meant, it should be clearer. 208.120.180.219 (talk) 04:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

-Because that's not a list of quad axels, it's a list of all early quads jumps and attempts. The quad axel is mentionned because it has half a turn more than the normal four, which sets it apart from the rest of the quad jumps. Re-reading the article, this seems clear, actually... no ?

surya bonaly 1996

Surya Bonaly attempted a quad salchow in her long program at the 96 World Championships in Edmonton, Canada. It was a fall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.243.33.147 (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Quad Axel

There has been no quadruple axel jump by a single skater completed in an competition and ratified by ISU. It is not appropriate to mention one incident of quad axel jump attempt during a training session in the text, since there could be many other attempts of quad axel jumps in a similar situation not reported. Seameetsmountain (talk) 03:05, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Yet Yuzuru Hanyu's three attempts during public practice at 2019 Grand Prix Final, the last nearly fully rotated (it would have been counted as fully rotated, by ISU rules, in competition), in spite of the falls, may be mentioned, because, if of course it could not be sanctioned (being jumped during practice), this practice was a public one, during a competition, which makes of it, to this date, the closest event to a successful quadruple axel landing in competition. First video at normal speed, second video in slow motion from 2:13 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI7yx0Q-qJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXJfbNYifpA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:AF2F:D019:A83B:2411:4E79:5E01 (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Quad (figure skating)

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Reference named "IN110920":

• From Eric Radford: Rutherford, Lynn (September 20, 2011). "Japanese, Canadian pairs face off at Mid-Atlantics". Icenetwork. Retrieved September 20, 2011.
• From Brandon Mroz: Brannen, Sarah S.; Meekins, Drew (September 20, 2011). "The Inside Edge: The new quad king". Icenetwork.

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Programs

The list needs to include whether a quad was performed in SP or FP, especially for the recent surge in quads performed by females. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Timeline section

In my opinion, this section should be removed from the article. It's really not necessary to list every single quad attempt in the history of the sport, and its presence on the page is just encouraging people to continue adding trivia, most of it unreferenced. We already have a history of first jumps section, any other important information could easily be included elsewhere in the article. Artemisia (talk) 12:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Adellia Petrosian first female Quad Loop

I added her as the first female to perform a Quad Loop. Sources are conflicting about whether her first quad loops at the 5th stage of the Russian Cup qualifier were clean (source at the bottom of the page in the chronology section says it was landed with a "q" call, but official russian sources say it was clean) and whether she landed or not the second one in her free skate routine (source at the bottom of the page in the chronology section says she fell, but official russian sources say it was clean. Facebook videos also confirm the latter): https://www.facebook.com/armeniansabroad/videos/2024702544356211