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== Italophobia in the UK == |
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Despite a section in the Wikipedia article about anti italianism mentioning the United Kingdom and its internment of Italians during World War II, it isn't mentioned in this article. Could that be added in as a section? [[Special:Contributions/108.208.70.47|108.208.70.47]] ([[User talk:108.208.70.47|talk]]) 13:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC) |
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Wales
Why is there no section on Wales - when the intro to the article clearly states three incidents of racially-related riots linked to welsh places. If Wales is counted under England then this article itself, seems to me, to be promoting a racist agends. Cilmyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.89.27.1 (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Insulting to all concerned if there is an English section and a Scottish one!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.154 (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Cornwall
Peter Tatchell's recent comments concerning the Cornish should be added. Maybe a section on Cornwall is called for, the Cornish are a large minority group in the uk, and still receive a lot of discrimination both from government and public. Bodrugan (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- I've added the comments from Tatchell as he does mention the issues of Cornish people being a national minority and it does seem relevant to the article. – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
race riots are uncommon
Define "uncommon" riots in general are uncommon. I think this is understating the amount of riots. Does any1 agree with me? if not, prove me wrong. I deleted that bit No autoaim (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
delted bit about the empire
1st section had no sources so i deleted it. i thought of rewriting the 1st section(because the 2nd section cant stand on its own) but i just deleted both —Preceding unsigned comment added by No autoaim (talk • contribs) 17:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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Image
Can someone please explain to me how the image on this article is racist? I think I may be missing something. -- Jack?! 03:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I removed it for now as I thought it over and I still struggle to see how it depicts racism. Please feel free to re-add it if I have made a grave mistake. -- Jack?! 06:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- The image now is of a Republican parade, arguably racist in itself. The information in the Scotland section on Pakistanis voting SNP is irrelevant, and unsourced. And I would also take issue with the insinuation that people married to English partners are not 'Scots'. Hachimanchu (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Delete article?
This whole article is not encyclopedic and is politically motivated and not neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericg33 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- I do not see how this could be "politically motivated" – please explain? – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Racism has declined?
"However, racism has declined from past levels and the United Kingdom is considered to be a multicultural society."
Racism is ubiquitous and complex taking many forms. It is therefore not scientifically quantifiable to enable you to assert a level and subsequently monitor fluctuations as your statement "racism has declined" suggests. Whilst I would agree with the second half of this sentence it should ideally be a separate sentence. Otherwise, it implies either that a multicultural society means a "less racist" society or that as a result of "less racism" the society has become more multicultural, both of which are false assumptions.--ChessMaster2011 (talk) 08:08, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Neutral
“ | Although various anti-discrimination legislation does exist. According to some sources, most employers in the UK remain institutionally racist including public bodies such as the police [5] and particularly the legal profession.[6] It is also nearly impossible for persons subject to such institutional racism (who are normally economically disadvantaged) to seek legal redress, as in the UK public funding (legal aid) is not available at employment tribunals.[7] The situation with the implementation of Human Rights law is similar. The Terrorism Acts, which came into law in 2000 and 2006, have caused a marked increase in racial profiling and have also been the basis to justify existent trends in discrimination against persons of Muslim origin (or resembling such) by the British police. | ” |
I'm not sure about the neutrality of this paragraph. Firstly, reference 5 doesn't say that public bodies are institutionally racist, but that racism still exists within them (the report that claims the police are institutionally racist is now 12 years old. The report in reference 6 is not without bias (having not been compiled by a neutral crossparty body but compiled by a group of the Society of Black Lawyers, the Society of Asian Lawyers, the Association of Muslim Lawyers and the Black Solicitors Network). Also, the third sentence seems to mix two concepts; legal aid is not available at employment tribunals, end of. It has no relation to racism at all. The final sentence is without source. If nobody objects, I will remove this content in a few days. Kavanagh21 (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
The item about children saying 'yuck' to non-native food
I would argue that associating ethnicities with something as mundane as preferences in food is more racist than children simply not liking it. But then again we have WP: NOR. When you see an Indian person, do you instantly think of curries? That, to me, is more racist than expressing a dislike for a particular type of cuisine. Associating Indian people with curry (for example), rather than treating them as individuals who may have all sorts of interests, is more racist than a child not liking a particular type of food, which is not racist at all (if anything, reducing people to being associated with a style of food is racist). Essentially it reduces an ethnicity to their cuisine, which is not treating them as people who may have many interests. I hope many on the left can realise this.--It's a Cow! (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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Modern racism
Ahh... What about racism towards America? Firstly, don't tell me that insulting someone's nationality is not racist. It clearly is, just like insulting the way someone speaks. I see so much hate from the UK towards America from TV shows, online and in real-life interactions. Type into Google 'Why do British people hate Americans' and you will see so many examples of British people hating on the United States.
This for example shows so many examples of British people insulting the United States and American's as a nationality. "Because they are uneducated idiots", referring to every single American as an uneducated idiot, so if I say British JWULTRABLIZZARDpeople are uneducated idiots, would that be racist? I think so. There are so many examples but so many of them contain profanity that I do not wish to spread, you want examples, look it up. Even on the official http://www.bbcamerica.com/mind-the-gap/2012/05/15/10-things-americans-do-that-drive-brits-nuts/ page they made a list of reasons why they dislike America, 'they' being the editors also refer to every American by stating "their... They..." at the start of each point. I am not American. I have travelled all over the globe, I have even been to the middle east and I have to say that the UK is right up there with Iraq with hate for America in my opinion, maybe they don't burn the flag or commit terrorist acts but they sure as hell have a problem. No wonder why it is so low on the Human Development Index. If nobody puts the point across about the UK being racist towards Americans then I don't see the point of this page and I think you are blinded by ignorance. There used to be a time where blacks were treated as slaved around the globe, what you may have been taught in school, if you are older is that racism has only a few forms, and insulting Americans is not racist but let me remind you that insulting someone's nationality is indeed racism. I have a JD... I know what I am talking about. I am sick to my stomach that America is allied with the UK, America does not deserve such horrible people as allies, yes I know, I am too being racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.3.209 (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC) -Oh yes, because of course, we're racist here in Britain compared to America, despite the fact that we in Britain have never had racial segregation, laws prohibiting black and white people from marrying, or even slavery in Britain itself, quite unlike the so-called 'land of the free', the U.S.A. (though of course, we had slavery in the colonies). Oh, not to mention we abolished slavery and the slave trade throughout the colonies a good 40 to 30 years before America did. And yes, you are being racist.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 01:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
- Slavery flourished in English and later British colonies for over 270 years. It lasted in the U.S.A. for less than 90 years. Oh, not having slavery in Britain is hardly a bragging point. Al Cook USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.49.72 (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Slavery was never legal in Britain. In the colonies, yes; but never in Britain itself. We abolished the trade in slaves in 1803 and abolished it altogether in the 1830s. Ships of the Royal Navy attacked ships of other nations trading in slaves and set free slaves if the ships were captured. We never ever had any laws in Britain itself (or in any colonies) that stopped anyone from marrying whoever they wanted, because of their race. As for the acts of terrorism, we had the July 2005 Attacks in London, as well as the Glasgow airport bombings and the recent murder of a British soldier by Islamic extremists. As for flag burning, no-one in Britain would give a monkeys if anyone burned the British flag: we do not have the same 'sacred' approach to our flag as America has.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- Serfdom is slavery by another name and was perfectly legal in England. The British outlawed the slave trade in "1807" as did the USA in 1808. Ships of the US Navy also went on anti-slave patrols and freed slaves from captured ships. What's up with the terrorism and flag burning remarks? OK, The British executed Indian rebels by cannon. They actually strapped them to the mouths of cannons and blew them to pieces. WTF Was that racism, terrorism or both? A little friendly advice - Never say never. Al Cook USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.37.193 (talk) 12:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
JWULTRABLIZZARD, don't waste your time with these people. OP, you're being completely arrogant. I agree that there is racism from Brits to Americans, although not to the extent you have described. There is also much racism towards the Germans, French, Republican Irish, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese and more. As someone who attends one of the most diverse schools in England, I know it all. Americans are not special, the American kids get no more hate than any other minority at my School. If anything students from the Anglo-sphere get the least shit, as they fit in the most. Regards, Rob (talk) 20:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Links
>> UK racist murder scandal claims top policeman(Lihaas (talk) 18:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)).
Cleanup needed
I've come across this page, and it seems to have been torn in different directions by different users over the years and became a hotch-potch of their opinions. Racism in the United States shows the different stereotypes and discrimination against each group. I added Britain's most notorious racist murders to the "see also", and I think they merit being in the main text more than a lot of things here. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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Regions missing
In the section on racism by region, two of the major regions have been omitted: England and Wales. Is there any particular reason for this? Perhaps racism hasn't been particularly notable in England and/or Wales? --90.255.134.137 (talk) 02:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Section about racism against Polish immigrants is needed
Since over 10 years we've heard about numerous violent incidents of hate against Polish people in the UK, including ethnicity-based murders. This requires a big section. 31.182.200.250 (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Semi Protection
Should we make this page be semi-protected, since 'Racism in the United States' is semi-protected as well, and could be easily vandalised SterlingTea (talk) 05:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Post Brexit escalation in racist violence.
This is missing a section of the escalation of racist and sectarian violence post brexit.
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Italophobia in the UK
Despite a section in the Wikipedia article about anti italianism mentioning the United Kingdom and its internment of Italians during World War II, it isn't mentioned in this article. Could that be added in as a section? 108.208.70.47 (talk) 13:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)