Talk:List of highest-grossing films

Peak

What does peak mean? If a movie grosses over 1 billion and I want to add it to the list, what do I put for peak. Can someone explain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijick (talk • contribs) 12:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

"Peak" is the highest rank it has reached. "Rank" is the current rank. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Adjustment for inflation in the 'Highest-grossing franchises and film series' section?

At present we have no inflation factored into the section on highest grossing film franchises, apart from a brief mention in the text that caveats that recent times have seen a number of high-grossing franchises due to inflation and the tendency for more franchise films to be made. The lack of an inflation adjustment means that over time the section is going to be more and more skewed to current events. For an example I went over to King Kong (franchise)#Box office performance, which is at present not in the list of the 'top 25 highest grossing series/franchises' here, and used the tool at [1] to calculate the inflation-adjusted worldwide box office, which is $3,649,061,091. That would place King Kong as #16 on the present list (but that doesn't take into account adjustments further up of course). Godzilla (franchise) is another prime target to be similarly reviewed, with many more films and a higher nominal worldwide gross (but I haven't done the inflation maths on that yet). I imagine that other franchises with films dating back further back in the 20th century such as James Bond, Batman, and Superman would likely see jumps in their ranking compared with recent films.

I just wanted to post this as a "to do" idea, as we should be trying to present the information in a way that takes into account the impact of films earlier in the 20th century and doesn't fall foul of WP:RECENTISM. My suggestion would be to have another table in the Highest-grossing films adjusted for inflation section that collects the top 10 highest grossing franchises, adjusted for inflation. We need to find a way of doing that that doesn't fall foul of WP:Original research.

Interested to hear thoughts on this. Mountaincirque^talk 11:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

It's simply not possible to do at this time on Wikipedia. It's hard enough tracking down grosses for some of the franchises, but virtually impossible to know when they made that money. Some of the films had delayed international releases and others had reissues, both of which impact on inflation adjustments. It has been done in some cases (for example Star Wars and James Bond) but those are isolated cases. We didn't even have an adjusted list of films until around 2014 when Guinness published one. Once they did that we could update it by just adjusting the base year; if such a chart existed for franchises we would do it, but without such a chart it is not possible to do without introducing WP:Original research. Also, you are misinterpreting WP:RECENTISM. That policy governs notability and its purpose is to ensure that notability is enduring. The extent of its application here ensures that such a top 10 will be notable in 20 years time, it doesn't mean there has to be an even spread of new and old films. I agree from an encyclopedic point that such a spread makes for a more interesting article (hence why there is an adjusted list, a year list, and a timeline of the record), but ultimately as with every other article on Wikipedia we are bound by the limits of what has been published elsewhere. Betty Logan (talk) 12:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, it may be too ambitious to do so right now, maybe we just need to keep an eye on sources with a mind to including it later. For me it is 'recentism' to have the 'most recent films' over-weighted due to economic inflation, I realise that this isn't directly aligned with the textbook definition of recentism we have here at Wikipedia. It's not about 'wanting it to be balanced' as ultimately we are bound by the financial totals that each film made rather than 'balance'. To make a hypothetical argument, if this list is still here in 50 years it will very likely be dominated by films/franchises in the 2050-2070s, even though films today might have sold more tickets and made more money when adjusting for inflation. To me this is a 'fairness' argument, Godzilla/King Kong shouldn't be relegated down (out of the top 25) because the purchasing power of money has reduced over time by the laws of economics, even though they might have sold more tickets and pulled in more inflation-adjusted money than a number of entries here. Can we not aggregate inflation-adjusted entries from sources such as this from IMDB [2]? It seemingly has the 'top-1000 highest grossing films adjusted for inflation', so we might miss off a few of the lowest-grossing films with a caveat. I don't see how this is very/any different to the totalling that we have in the current franchise table. Mountaincirque^talk 15:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

The problem with the BOM list is that it only adjusts the domestic grosses. Incidentally, your suggestion is a good one and it is indeed implemented on the US/Canada (i.e. domestic) page: List of highest-grossing films in the United States and Canada#Franchises and film series adjusted for inflation. Betty Logan (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Much like the suggestion to add a "peak" column to the franchise table that was made a while ago, this is a good suggestion that unfortunately cannot be implemented (at least not right now) because the sources that would be needed simply do not exist. TompaDompa (talk) 17:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks both, I hadn't realised that there was a separate page for the US and Canada, that's interesting to see. I see the difficulties in aggregating the inflation globally, maybe a signpost to that article section could be built into the franchises section text here, so that readers can at least see the North American adjusted figures? Mountaincirque^talk 10:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Duplicates in highest grossing franchises table

Avengers movies listed under MCU and their own entry (position 6)

Iron Man movies listed under MCU and once as separate series (position 25) 74.72.158.116 (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times in the talk archives. The mobile interface is limited. Click "Desktop" at the bottom of mobile pages to see or search the archives. The consensus is to allow both a shared universe like MCU or DCEU, and a specific franchise (intellectual property) like Avengers or Iron Man. They are far older than MCU and could include non-MCU films in the future. It's considered an irrelevant coincidence that currently all their theatrically released films are part of the MCU (they both have animated tv films). They are treated the same as Spider-Man, Batman and Superman which happen to have both their own films and MCU/DCEU films. Shared universes are currently marked with S which links the note "Shared universes for which some properties also have their own entries." PrimeHunter (talk) 07:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

This is sophistry. The original poster is correct that it's misleading. It's also inconsistent because there are other groups that do not have their individual components separated out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C3:4001:9220:60B0:A404:9869:62D3 (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

When studios make spinoffs, crossovers and shared universes, every choice will be considered misleading or unfair by some users. I think we are consistently following that shared universes and individual franchises with their own intellectual property get an entry, but people may disagree whether something qualifies. You didn't give examples but for example, Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts have the same creator who set them in the same universe so they are one franchise, and Potter doesn't get a separate entry from Wizarding World. This is a different situation from Iron Man when you consider the whole franchise. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The original poster is not correct. It is the "duplication" that maintains the consistency, except that there really is no duplication, because there are no totals in the chart that count a gross more than once. No film is counted twice under a franchise heading, but occasionally a film counts under more than one franchise. This isn't duplication in the sense that it is redundant; we must count Spider-Man: No Way Home under the MCU entry and also under the Spider-Man entry so we have an accurate valuation of both franchises. If we were to remove it from one of those franchises, so it only appears once in the whole table that is what would produce the inconsistency. Even if we barred shared universes from the table we would still be stuck with the problem of crossovers such as Batman v. Superman. How do we avoid listing this twice in the table? All the franchise entries maintain the same top-down structure i.e. there are no franchises that have "their individual components separated out". Two of the entries are shared universes whose entries also belong other franchises, which is a defining concept of a "shared universe". A shared universe does not negate the legitimacy of the other franchises, all of which have produced media at some point that is not a part of that shared universe. Betty Logan (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion of edits

Hey there. The box office figures for Spiderman No Way Home have not been added in (it should come at 37th place as of Dec 26 2021) but as I do not know how to edit from source, requesting any others to edit it. Billuhero287 (talk) 17:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betty Logan (talk • contribs) 00:03, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Should Spider-Man: No Way Home be added to the Raimi/Webb franchises in the Highest-grossing franchises and film series list?

Seeing as No Way Home is a crossover with both the Raimi and Webb Spider-Man series, should the film also be apart of both franchises? Or would it not count because No Way Home is a crossover/the film was not directed by Raimi/Webb? Randitor (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. For example, Homecoming doesn't count towards the Iron Man films even though Iron Man appears in it, nor do any of the Avengers films towards the individual characters' film series. —El Millo (talk) 01:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2021

The Highest Grossing movie for 2020 is wrong. Accordingly to diverses sources, Worldwide Yearly Box Office, ALL-TIME BOX OFFICE HITS BY DECADE and YEAR. The Highest Grossing Movie is Bad Boys for Life with a Total Gross of $2,103,085,767 Pedro.martins98 (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done That figure is the total gross of all films between 1 January 2020 and 31 December 2020, not the gross for Bad Boys for Life. The source also doesn't say that Bad Boys for Life was the highest-grossing film released in 2020 (which is what we're listing), but rather that Bad Boys for Life had the highest gross between 1 January 2020 and 31 December 2020. You'll note that Avatar isn't listed as the highest-grossing film of 2009, but it is listed as the highest-grossing film of 2010. TompaDompa (talk) 16:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 December 2021

The Dark Knight Rises worldwide collection is 1,081,142,612 as per BOxOfficeMojo Sherifkk (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 18:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

2022

Why has the page not be updated to the number 1 film of the year Hit the Road with a gross of $4,930 82.37.120.189 (talk) 17:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Just a quick note; the film you linked to has the same title but was released in 1941. What you want is Hit the Road. There is no article for this film on the English Wikipedia as of yet. But here is a review from Variety, here is the Box Office Mojo page and here is the film's entry on Rotten Tomatoes. When you previously added this question, it was removed as "Not an edit request". I've re-added it as it does appear to be related to this page. If this is an edit request, typically you would use the edit request template and post your request in a "please change 'x' to 'y'" format. Otherwise, you should clarify the reasons for your comment. If you need assistance beyond what is available on this page, you can contact the Help Desk. Good luck - wolf 06:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2022

Titanic grossed $2,201,647,264 according to Box Office: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0120338/?ref_=bo_cso_table_3. Jotzy (talk) 07:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Box Office Mojo is double counting some of its reissue grosses. Please refer to WP:BOXOFFICE#Box Office Mojo for more information. Betty Logan (talk) 09:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

A Proposal - Current top 50 list vs list of $1bn films

The current list of highest grossing films is the top 50 highest grossing films. We are approaching a point where this is almost exclusively films which have grossed more than $1bn. I'm wondering whether it would be useful going forwards to maintain the list as being a list of films to have grossed over $1bn (which will ultimately include more than 50 films) or to retain at the current list of just a top 50. If retained as a list of the top 50 would it be useful to maintain a separate article of a list of $1bn films as this feels like quite an important milestone.

ThanksTracland (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't it become progressively a less important milestone the more films achieve it? There doesn't seem to be something inherently important about reaching any specific amount of money apart from there being very few films that do. When more and more films start becoming $1 billion films, then the "important milestone" will be at $1.5 billion. When that becomes more common, reaching $2 billion will become the important milestone and so on. —El Millo (talk) 08:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

It used to be a notable milestone, but these days (pre-pandemic) we were getting 3–4 per year, and in 2019 we got nine. I think No Way Home proves that the billion dollar blockbuster is going nowhere. It is very likely the number of $1 billion grossers will double before 2030 (it stood at just 14 ten years ago) and what then? Do we go past 100 films? It's large list and my preference would be to limit the nominal chart to a top 50. I have no personal objections to creating a separate article of $1 billion grossers but it could run into problems with WP:LISTN and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Betty Logan (talk) 09:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

The Lion King (1994) box office

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0110357/ https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/ww_top_lifetime_gross/

As per Box Office Mojo, The Lion King (1994) crossed the billion dollar mark due to 2011 3D re-release and is the 37th Highest grossing film of all time. But it's not listed here. Daredevilskull (talk) 13:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

It is a Box Office Mojo problem, watch WP:BOXOFFICE#Box Office Mojo for more information, this is the correct gross--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

BOM is including the foreign reissue grosses in the original gross. We know it grossed $763 million worldwide on its original release (this is widely documented and Disney has even confirmed this figure). Since then it has grossed a further $205 million from reissues, $95 million of which came from overseas. For some reason BOM is adding the overseas reissue gross to the initial release gross (763+95) for $858 million. They then add on the $205 million from the reissues, effectively counting the foreign reissue grosses twice. I don't have a clue why BOM make such basic errors but it is a recurring problem fro many films that were re-released. Betty Logan (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 January 2022

The 355 is the highest grossing film of 2022 and should be added to the year chart see https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt8356942/ 92.236.253.249 (talk) 10:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done that film isn't the highest grossing film of 2022, see 2022 in film--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Spider-Man: No Way Home's gross on Box Office Mojo has been inflated

Just a heads-up, currently the site claims that the gross is $2,095,985,629, but the film's gross in Germany jumped to $759,409,290.

Before today, the film was sitting at a worldwide gross of $1.541bn, and considering the past week has only seen the number go up by a few million per-day, it doesn't seem logical that it would be boosted by over $500M in a single territory.

Considering that the film is being updated daily they're probably going to correct it soon, but Box Office Mojo has left films unfixed for months, and even films like Titanic and The Lion King still haven't had their grosses corrected on the site despite the issue being persistent for well over a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AverageLogic (talk • contribs) 03:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Yup, we should at least wait to see what TheNumbers does. —El Millo (talk) 04:06, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo is very wobbly these days. Betty Logan (talk) 07:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

The mistake has been fixed. —El Millo (talk) 07:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

“Star Wars” changed to Star Wars: A New Hope

This would mainly be due to the other Star Wars films being mentioned often and calling it only just Star Wars wouldn’t make much sense. This could also be a bit confusing even if though the date is there. RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 01:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

This article uses the WP:COMMONNAME for articles, on the basis that the common name is the least confusing for general readership. Each entry in the charts is accompanied by the year ​so that should clear up any possible ambiguity if any exists, but if the article name is confusing the correction needs to take place at Star Wars (film) rather than here. Betty Logan (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Not only is Star Wars the WP:COMMONNAME, but it's also the article title and the film's original release title. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

original Lion King needs to be re-added

The original Lion King has racked up $1,063,611,805, good for 37th all time, but I don't know how to adjust it w/o completely wrecking the place. Can someone help?

Here's the link because I'm also struggling with how to reference the link: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0110357/?ref_=bo_cso_table_37— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamus248 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo's figure is erroneous. See the discussions at #The Lion King (1994) box office. Betty Logan (talk) 07:13, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Harry potter and the sorcerer's stone box office

Sorcerer stone earned 1.017 billion after 2021 re-release. It should be updated 106.214.148.89 (talk) 07:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo's figure is not correct, watch WP:BOXOFFICE#Box Office Mojo for more information--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Box office update

Deathly hallows part 1 surpassed Sorcerer's stone at box office at that time. it means it was 8th highest grossing movie of all time at the time of release ahead of pirates of the caribbean and Harry Potter and the sorcerer's stone. The peak should be updated from 10 to 8 106.214.148.89 (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The initial release figure is incorrect. Death Hallows 1 grossed $960.4 million during its initial release, meaning its peak position was #10. A reissue in 2020 saw it gross a further $16 million; unfortunately, Box Office Mojo screwed up and also added it to the initial release figure, therefore double counting the gross ($996 million). BOM then "fixed" the error by incorrectly deleting the 2020 entry and leaving the 2020 reissue gross under the initial release gross. This means that the total figure is now correct, but the 2020 reissue gross is incorrectly counted under the initial gross. Unfortunately this is an ongoing problem with Box Office Mojo; if a film has a re-release and the original gross suddenly changes then it is most likely an error. Betty Logan (talk) 12:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

suggestion

I think Harry potter and the Deathly hallows part 2 deserves a wikipedia page about box office records it broke back in 2011. It is one of the biggest release of this century and it broke almost every major box office record at the time of release. It deserves a wiki page. Star wars 7 and Endgame also have one. (ps: I know this isn't the best place to discuss this but I don't know where else I can do this discussion) 223.229.250.95 (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)