Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 30

April 30

Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: St Paul's Co-educational College, Hong Kong

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: St Paul's Co-educational College, Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Overlooked high school alma mater category. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic

• Propose renaming Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic to Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic

Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C. A speedy nomination was opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic to Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic – C2C: per Category:Tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic etc. Oculi (talk) 13:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC). Oppose putting the article "the" before Czech Republic would results in misplacing it on the automated list when editors will use HotCat for adding categories to the articles. Also, this type of naming should be used for United States and United Kingdom only, i.e. nations with multiple entities inside them, which is not the Czech Republic case, and it is wrong as well for Dominican Republic, under C2B ( almost the totality of nations are enlisted without the preceeding article). I'll propose to rename them instead. Opencross (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC) Support for consistency with the tree that begins at Category:Sport in the Czech Republic. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC) Comment Opencross, "the" in English names isn't as rare (or simple) as you suggest, for example there are 24 country subcategories of Category:Education by country which include "the". TSventon (talk) 19:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC) I'm sorry if i was misleading you into thinking i was generically speaking about the grammar in use in the general case. I was more concentrated upon the usage in the wikipedia pages, and specifically within the tennis project. There are 52 subcategories of "Cat: tennis tournament in.." with just 4 having "the" preceeding the name of the country. People for sure won't look at the bottom of the scrolling list of HotCat to find "... in the Czech Republic" nor for the Dominican case. I am posing this question on a practical basis, because in my view, it's better to rectify a longstanding problem than to extend it further. Anyhow, i am ok with whatever it would be decided, just because i needed to use that category and i actively looked for it. I don't know if other users would do the same, going a step further than the intuitive approach. Cheers Opencross (talk) 20:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC) Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic could be kept as a Template:Category redirect to help editors find the existing category. TSventon (talk) 10:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: The redirect link sounds good to me. In order to facilitate users' experience and practice then blank all the categories i created on Czech Republic named here, and reformulate them as redirect thus they will be easier to find on HotCat scroll list.

@TSventon, Opencross, Redrose64, and Oculi: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:19th century people in Geneva

• Propose merging Category:19th century people in Geneva to Category:People from Geneva Category:People from the canton of Geneva
• Propose renaming Category:19th-century Genevan botanists to Category:Botanists from Geneva

Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, anachronistic categories in the tree of Republic of Geneva. The 16th to 18th century siblings have just been speedily renamed to a "Republic" format but that would not apply here. The Republic ceased to exist in 1798 (with a very short reestablishment in 1813-1815). The fact that people in these categories were born while the Republic was still there is not defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Category:16th century people in Geneva to Category:16th-century people from the Republic of Geneva – C2C: per convention in Category:People from the Republic of Geneva (1541–1815), hyphen per Category:16th-century people. Oculi (talk) 12:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC) Category:17th century people in Geneva to Category:17th-century people from the Republic of Geneva Category:18th century people in Geneva to Category:18th-century people from the Republic of Geneva  Category:19th century people in Geneva to Category:19th-century people from the Republic of Geneva  Support 16th, 17th and 18th century, oppose 19th since the Republic ceased to exist in 1798 (it was only briefly restored from 1813 to 1815). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC) These (19th century) appear to be people who grew up in the Republic of Geneva in the late 1700s but were professionally active in the 1800s. Seems defensible, apart from the name. Oculi (talk) 10:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC) I will process the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries as unopposed. I recommend that the 19th century is taken to a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment - I would suggest a merge to Category:People from the canton of Geneva as Geneva is the city. Oculi (talk) 12:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

• Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Ukrainian genocide

• Propose deleting Category:Ukrainian genocide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A WP:POVFORK Cat of Category:Anti-Ukrainian sentiment and Category:Massacres of Ukrainians. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 01:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:SYNTH; see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide (2nd nomination), which at the moment is almost unanimously in favor of deletion largely for similar reasons. The Holodomor is not the Bucha massacre. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:35, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per the reasons given above, even more so now that the AfD has closed as delete. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 08:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
• Keep  There is a lot of news and academic publication on this subject in recent weeks.[1] The article Ukraine genocide was deleted because its text combined two subjects (Holodomor and 2022 Russian action). The category “Ukrainian genocide” does not. —Michael Z. 16:17, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

  There are currently several articles which deal with the subject or question of Ukrainian genocide in 2022:

  • Bucha massacre
  • Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • International Criminal Court investigation in Ukraine: quotation: “ICC Prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan stated that the ICC could "exercise its jurisdiction and investigate any act of genocide, crime against humanity or war crime committed within Ukraine."”
  • Ukraine v. Russian Federation (2022): full title “Allegations of Genocide under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Ukraine v. Russian Federation)”
  • War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Genocide
  • “What Russia should do with Ukraine”: a Russian state media article that’s been called a “genocide handbook” by subject expert Timothy Snyder.

   —Michael Z. 16:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 11:55, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Would renaming to Category:Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (per Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) work? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Polish Army traditions

• Propose renaming Category:Polish Army traditions to Category:Polish military traditions

Nominator's rationale: To match the Category:British military traditions and like, and avoid confusion w/ regards whether we can include Navy and Airforce traditions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Snake Island (Black Sea)

• Propose renaming Category:Snake Island (Black Sea) to Category:Snake Island (Ukraine)

Nominator's rationale: Consistent with recently moved parent article Snake Island (Ukraine). Super Ψ Dro 07:50, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:People using unaccredited degrees

• Propose deleting Category:People using unaccredited degrees (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trivial category per WP:COPDEF, WP:CATDEF and WP:NONDEF. Categories are not for any verifiable trait some Wikipedians may find interesting. --Animalparty! (talk) 07:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Homestar Runner Wiki

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Homestar Runner Wiki (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: "Wikipedians by website" categories have dubious collaborative value at best. They're definitely useless when there isn't even an article on the website. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in Mexico and Central America

• Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians in Mexico and Central America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Wikipedians in Mexico and Category:Wikipedians in Central America; this bizarre amalgamated container category does not aid navigation. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Delete per nom. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in DFW, Texas

• Propose merging Category:Wikipedians in DFW, Texas to Category:Wikipedians in the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex

Nominator's rationale: Obvious duplicate. DFW, Texas is red. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:My Life as a Teenage Robot

• Propose deleting Category:My Life as a Teenage Robot (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT; just the main article, character list, and episode list. The two video games shouldn't be in the category as they only featured one of the characters from the show. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)