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Per WP:NSCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Most of the coverage in the WP:RS provided is for the shooting, not the school itself, so it makes more sense to redirect it to the event it is notable for or the school district in question. It's the same thing that we do for the Sandy Hook Elementary School article. Love of Corey (talk) 01:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Robb Elementary School shooting per nom. >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 01:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District as is typical for non-notable schools. While readers may currently want information on the shooting, long-term it makes more sense for the article to redirect to the district. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. I searched for sources from May 23, 2022 and earlier and all I could find was local news coverage about events at the school. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. This is a non-notable school. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 01:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. Tragic though the circumstances surrounding it may be, does not meet notability standards. Gnomatique (talk) 02:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just based off Sandy Hook? What about Columbine High School, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, Army Public School Peshawar, Jokela High School, Albertville-Realschule, etc.? Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 01:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dunutubble: the difference is those are high schools. High schools are generally considered notable under most circumstances, see WP:HS. However, primary and elementary schools are not considered to be notable. For example, Sandy Hook Elementary School does not have its own article. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that this is an elementary school makes it more notable -- not less -- than a high school. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph A. Spadaro: can you please explain your rationale for such a claim? Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Violence, murders, killings, shootings, crime, etc., are a dime-a-dozen in high schools (and colleges). Elementary schools, not so much. Much more rare. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make the school itself notable. That just makes the shooting notable. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then, for that matter, Bath Consolidated School, Poe Elementary School (Houston), etc. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 02:18, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF. The mere existence of one article does not justify the existence of another article; what’s important is coverage the specific article topic at issue has received in reliable sources. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well Poe is notable for being a historical site more so than being a school. As for Bath, it seems to be more of an exception to the rule, rather than the rule. In fact, I would support merging Bath with Bath School disaster. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally there is reliable source information on a preschool formerly co-located with Poe, created to support Poe, to where an academic wrote a book chapter about it. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bath was also a K-12 school, not an elementary school, according to that article. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe at the time of the bombing, Bath was a 1-12 school, not an elementary school. But talking about other articles here is a waste of time. Please stay on topic. 174.212.228.89 (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District per nom. Any important details about the school can be included at that page or at Robb Elementary School shooting as background. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District elementary schools don't get there own pages because of notability and importance. This case is the same, it is notable but the school does not need its own page. `~HelpingWorld~`^(👽🛸) 04:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District for the same reasons. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District; standard practice to redirect elementary schools to their respective districts. Consensus has repeatedly found there is no reason for a middle school to have its own article, let alone an elementary school. Besides having negligible encyclopedic value, having a page dedicated to the school only to have it dominated by a single, if cataclysmic, event, is totally unfair to its history. Ovinus (talk) 06:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Merge to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. There are notable elementary schools, but I think that the material for the article would be better contextualizad within an article on the district as a whole. The coverage of the shooting is great evidence that the shooting is notable, but notability of an organization is not inherited by a tragic and notable event merely having happened on its property. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 06:18, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to school district article which has some content on the shooting. RECENT explains why not to target the shooting article. 174.212.228.89 (talk) 08:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District per nom. Edwardx (talk) 09:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - redirect to school district. I was going to vote to keep the article since this is a unique situation but unfortunately it's not that unique, and Sandy Hook Elementary School redirects to the district, with a hatnote directing users to the shooting. That seems like the best solution. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 12:51, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. The school itself doesn't pass WP:GNG, and it is standard to redirect non-notable schools to their school districts. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect This article didn't exist before the shooting, and the article about the shooting is sufficient. Bkatcher (talk) 14:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District per norm. PaienPaien (talk) 15:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Redirect''' to [[Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District]]. The school itself doesn't pass [[WP:GNG]], and it is standard to redirect non-notable schools to their school districts. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 12:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Redirect''' This article didn't exist before the shooting, and the article about the shooting is sufficient. [[User:Bkatcher|Bkatcher]] ([[User talk:Bkatcher|talk]]) 14:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
+:* '''Redirect''' to [[Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District]] per norm. [[User:PaienPaien|PaienPaien]] ([[User talk:PaienPaien|talk]]) 15:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)