Talk:Newspaper of record

China

I added in a line for China, the People's Daily (人民日报), but it has been deleted. I presume this is because the People's Daily is controlled by the Communist Party and therefore arguably a propaganda instrument as well as a newspaper. (I'm guessing, because the person who deleted it didn't have he courtesy to explain why.) However, it is nevertheless the most widely known and indeed most widely cited of Chinese newspapers and for this reason I suggest that it be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dena.walemy (talk • contribs)

Dena.walemy. Hey there. I was the one who reverted it. Here's the diff. The message I left was Restored revision 1028065109 by Finnusertop (talk): Failed verification. cited source does not call the newspaper a "newspaper of record". Feel free to add it back if you can find a reliable source that calls it a newspaper of record. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I have added this to the sub-section on "official newspapers of record" (wtih a reference); however, it is clearly not a "newspaper of record by reputation" given the state contorl of the editorial. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Definition omission

I think the definition fails to take into account a significant meaning of 'newspaper of record', namely a publisher that prints documents of public importance (usually government documents) in their entirety, even if they are hundreds of pages in book form and require long, special sections devoted to them. The New York Times has regularly published treaties, text of armistices, and results of important governmental commissions in full, making it a matter of public record for their readers and others. Mathglot (talk) 22:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The Guardian as a newspaper of record

A month or so after I had added it, 'The Guardian' was removed from the list by an I.P. since "both sources were not fit for purpose." Both of the sources were already in the article before my edits and are still on the page, since they are the sources for the entry for 'The Times of India'. How are sources fit to designate the ToI a newspaper of record not fit for calling The Guardian the same thing?

Need a better explanation than "Both sources were not fit for purpose." 136.185.88.207 (talk) 10:23, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done, The Guardian now has proper sourcing as a verifiable NoR. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 19:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Global south

There is a paucity of attention to certain populous nations in the south. Mexico, Nigeria and South Africa are missing.Dogru144 (talk) 20:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I have added the NoR for Colombia (which is verified by the Financial Times and others). However, it is harder to find NoRs for these areas as the issue of Government control and interference is a question mark - see my comments on Zimbabwe below which now has really no NoR. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 19:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Also managed to add the Mail & Guardian from South Africa that was verifiable sources to it being an NoR. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 10:58, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed de Volkskrant, Netherlands

The inclusion of the Volkskrant in this list was based on an unreliable source. I suspect that there are additional newspapers in this list that are not widely considered newspapers of records. gidonb (talk) 02:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree with this. Volkskrant is not a widely accepted newspaper in the Netherlands. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 19:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: The Financial Gazette and Zimbabwe Independent, Zimbabwe

I removed both of these entries are their refs make no mention of them being "newspapers of record", and I think that after the demise of The Herald (Zimbabwe), there sadly is no newspaper of record in Zimbabwe. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: Manila Bulletin and The Philippine Star, Philippines

Also removed these two entries as their refs are junk, 1 2, and there is no wider mention of them being "newspapers of record"; improved the refs for Philippine Daily Inquirer which is (or at least was once) considered an NoR. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 20:13, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources

Used the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources page to find to more eligible entries – Mail & Guardian (South Africa) and Gazeta Wyborcza (Poland); and refs support it.

Any "green-listed" WP:RS/P entry is now on this list (with a verifiable ref calling it a newspaper of record). There are two yellow-list ("no consensus") WP:RS/P entries Straits Times and Times of India but which have the refs to support them as newspapers of record, and are kept. Anything else that was not green on WP:RS/P AND had no real ref is gone from this list. I still think there are a few entries on this list that do not appear at all in WP:RS/P (of any color) and that are not really proper newspapers of record, so is worth still trawling through.

Conversely, there are quite a few solid NoRs on this list that should be on WP:RS/P? 78.18.251.161 (talk) 13:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: Hürriyet, Turkey

References were junk and could not find quality RS to support Hürriyet as NoR. In contrast, there are several who support Cumhuriyet as an NoR. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 22:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: Expresso and Jornal de Notícias, Portugal

Can find no quality reference to these being "newspapers of record" and the existing ref makes no reference (it is just a list of top-selling newspapers). Replaced with Diário de Notícias, for which there are quite a few refs that it is a "newspaper of record" (although it seems in decline), and Publico for which there are also a reasonable number of quality refs saying that it also is a "newspaper of record". 78.18.251.161 (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: The Cambodia Daily and The Phnom Penh Post, Cambodia

The Hun Sen administration forced the The Cambodia Daily to close in 2017 and forced The Phnom Penh Post to sell to an ally of Hun Sen (and therefore no longer recognized as a newspaper of record). Have moved them to the "fallen newspapers" section. 78.18.251.161 (talk) 11:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Removed: Clarin, Argentina

An editor Profeperfetti keeps adding the Clarin but none of the refs provided name it a Newspaper or Record (and none qualify as a reference per WP:RS). I have looked for refs that might support it as a NoR, but none exist. Just having a large daily circulation does not mean that the paper is a recognized NoR (e.g. The Daily Mail). 78.19.224.254 (talk) 19:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)