Talk:Buddy Holly

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I'm not sure what the policy is about wiki-linking songs etc. that do not yet have an article behind them. I notice that sometimes (as in the most recent edit of this article) people remove red links, but I thought the idea was to leave a place holder for an anticipated future article. Can someone point to the place where this is discussed, or where a consensus has been reached? Jgm 17:11, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• Jgm - I deleted the links when I added the new content because I see so many irrelevant links in articles. But in response to your question, I found the policy on this and find that I was wrong to delete them. So I have put them back. Here is the policy: Make only links relevant to the context
  Fernkes 20:20, Sep 20, 2003 (UTC)

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Morwen's edit is correct -- "the plane was named 'American Pie' or 'Miss American Pie'" is an urban legend. see http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/amerpie.htm for details. Jgm 15:58, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I'm feel like I should ask others for opinions, so I think it might be more appropriate to have Buddy Holly and the Crickets redirect to The Crickets rather than to Buddy Holly. I know that Buddy Holly is the main reason for the band, but The Crickets' page only has a link for him anyways. However, The Crickets did continue without him, and there might be some confusion. --Ricky81682 05:34, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

I agree that "Buddy Holly and the Crickets" should redirect to "The Crickets", but only if the article is expanded to include the time that Holly was with them. It currently only mentions him in passing... [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 15:44, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Any comment on adding to the wreck? I've read (in Flying, I think) the wreck may have been due to smoke in the cockpit, from a heater in the tail that caught fire. (The same cause has been blamed for the crash that killed Rick Nelson.) I've also seen pilot inexperience (lack of instrument time for the conditions) blamed. --fourthina3, 16/11/05

The link at the bottom of the page takes you to a reproduction of the report of the Civil Aeronautics Board adopted 15th September 1959. The conclusion was "...The Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the pilot's unwise decision to embark on a flight which would necessitate flying solely by instruments when he was not properly certificated or qualified to do so. Contributing factors were serious deficiencies in the weather briefing, and the pilot's unfamiliarity with the instrument which determines the attitude of the aircraft." Peter Maggs 16:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Ambiguity & Holley/Holly

"...they opened for Bill Haley...". It is unclear if 'they' refers to Buddy and Bob or Buddy and Elvis.

Also, I changed Holley to Holly, so it wasn't half one way and half the other. Clarityfiend 02:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• I pinpointed the exact date: February 8, 1956. Theoretically you could spell it "Holley" before then and "Holly" after. However, we don't want to confuse the Great Unwashed any more than necessary. Wahkeenah 03:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Why no picture??!!!

Is there any good reason why there's no picture of a living and performing Buddy Holly on this page? Are there no public domain images available? Wouldn't it count as fair use if there are only copyrighted ones available?... ENpeeOHvee 04:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE - I did a quick search and was able to find some album covers, so I uploaded them, since I know they can be included under fair use. But more images should still be added. ENpeeOHvee 05:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Be very careful. The recent ruling on Wikipedia is that covers of books/magazines are not fair use unless the picture is used to critique the publication in question. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • They must be worried that some album or magazine publisher is going to sue wikipedia for providing them free advertising. Wahkeenah 14:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Felice and Boudleaux Bryant

Could a Holly expert please add to the songlist at Felice and Boudleaux Bryant? --Design 09:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

US Charts

At least some of the peak chart positions listed are wrong. Where did they come from? According to Billboard, Buddy Holly landed three Top Ten singles: That'll Be The Day at #1, Peggy Sue at #3 and Oh, Boy! at #10. That's it. I used the chart positions listed on this page in an argument online about Little Richard vs. Buddy Holly. I got burned. Thanks a lot. Clashwho 22:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The Quantum Leap Episode

I thought the assistant was the son of the vet. But I do know that the son was playing a song on his guitar about a pig named Sue and therefor singing Piggy Sue. Then the main character from Quantum Leap proposed to call the song Peggy Sue cause (being from the future) he was sure that would make a better title for a song

Discography

I moved the discography in this article to its own, Buddy Holly discography. The trend for larger articles on bands/musicians seems to be to separate the discography if it is a lengthy one. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 02:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Guitars

Most images and references seem to show or mention his Fender Stratocaster, but the museum in Lubbock reportedly has his Gibson Les Paul[1]. Does it seem like that might be worth mentioning as well? (References to songs he used it on or shows where he used it would be particularly helpful.) Also, I found a report that Gary Busey had bought one of Holly's guitars, but haven't found any details about which one or what kind. If someone wanted an interesting, short research project, that might be worth investigating. Xtifr _tälk 21:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

More cites, less trivia

I'm sorry, but yet another mention of a Holly sighting in some cartoon show is really not a worthy addition to this article. What the article really needs at this point is more citations and less trivia. Some of the contents of the "Tributes" section should be ruthlessly pruned, IMO. See WP:AVTRIV. Some of the external links look very useful, but they should really be used to cite some of the specific details in the article. I think there's actually enough material here to turn this into at least a B class article (maybe even A), but it definitely needs some cleanup first. Xtifr _tälk 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I Fought the Law

After research on the internet, I have reached the conclusion that "I Fought the Law" was recorded in 1959 after Buddy's death. I believe someone should delete this reference unless someone can give a detail account supporting its recording before 1959.

A contradiction

One detail on the Buddy Holly article needs to be addressed. In this article, it says the plane (in which Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper died) flew into cold but otherwise good weather. However, the same account in the articles of the other two men say the plane flew into a "blinding snowstorm." We need to know which is correct. Kevin Scott Marcus 05:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Well according to the Aeronautics Board report, it was a light snow but still decent visibility. So this article is closer to being correct than the others. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Weather

Ritchie Valen's wikipedia page says the airplane took off in a blinding snowstorm. This one says that the weather was good but extremely cold. There's a contradiction here. 192.28.2.41 19:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)VM