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Need your help

Hi sir, I want to contact you. I need some help for wikipedia articles. Pls reply Monty.9801 (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi sir, Really I need you support sir,Can you tell me how to contact you.? Please reply Rahu2023 (talk • 23:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Rahu2023: It's much easier to contribute to Wikipedia by adding well-researched information to current articles. Writing a new article is hard. And when you have a relationship to the subject, it is nearly impossible to write an objective article. Also, not everything is notable enough to belong in Wikipedia. It must already have been written about in reliable objective places. If you want specific help, one of the best places to go is the Teahouse. I've put a note on your talk page with information on how to use the Teahouse. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 00:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you sir Rahu2023 (talk) 15:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello, Rsjaffe,

I do a lot of work with expiring drafts and you probably know from your work as a patroller that many drafts are actually rudimentary autobiographies written by new editors. I often see that you have posted the template warning about writing autobiographies and you seem to be one of the few editors who posts this particular notice. Most notices I see posted on the talk pages of these young editors are generic warnings when what they really need to know is that Wikipedia is not a social media platform that encourages personal profiles. It's a matter of misunderstanding the purpose of Wikipedia, not vandalism or even self-promotion.

I find that in 99% of the cases, once editors are informed about this, they don't try to do it a second time. I wish more patrollers would use this specific template about autobiographies through Twinkle but perhaps they don't know that it exists. Any way, I appreciate you alerting newbies to the fact that it's not appropriate to write an article about oneself on the project, even in Draft space. Thanks again for all of your work and have a great New Years! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank for your kind words. And happy New Year’s to you, too. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 22:34, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Rsjaffe,

New Page Review queue December 2022

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Thanks

From, BloxyColaSweet

BloxyColaSweet (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Question

I saw you note on Draft:Matt Coffy Band My page got immediately rejected, you mentioned that someone like yourself or another person can edit and can you repost it "neutrally"? do you have a suggestion of anyone who may want to help Mattguitar99 (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Read and follow the Wikipedia conflict of interest guide. That should help you rewrite this article in a more neutral tone. Also, you need to address the issues listed in the rejection. Specifically, finding and footnoting significant independent reliable sources. You can clink on some of the highlighted terms in the rejection message to get more info. Ultimately, only certain topics merit inclusion, and if you cannot establish the notability of this band, it should not be included in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to get noticed; it is a place to be discussed once it has already been noticed. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 22:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

User:Rsjaffe ⋅ actions ⋅ user · new page reviewer, pending changes reviewer, 45001 edits

Saw this in a popup when I mouse-overed your name. Congratulations on 45k! jp×g 06:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — rsjaffe 🗣️ 16:44, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

AI generated articles

Hello, Rory,

I've come across a couple of articles you tagged as having been created with AI and I just wondered how you coud tell this was true. They weren't sourced and were pretty vague in their content but I was wondering if there was a script or tool you used or whether it was a judgment on your part. I work a lot with draft articles these days and it would be helpful to be able to tell whether or not the content was original. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

There are several tools I use. The first is made by the company that produces ChatGPT. It is based on an earlier version but seems to work well. I don't count it as AI-created unless the certainty is above 99%. It usually is above 99.9%. There isn't a bell-curve distribution of readings. Most are either close to 0% fake (that is, human-produced) or 99.98% fake (LLM model, e.g., ChatGPT produced). I've never had anyone argue that the tag was incorrect, and I've probably tagged about 40 articles so far.

The tool is at https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/. I paste in the text, omitting headings and inline ref tags. A second detector, if you're interested, is https://detector.dng.ai/. I almost always just use the first. Sometimes the AI text is embedded within other text (e.g., a custom written opening paragraph), in which case I omit the custom-written text when testing.

I've been looking for "tells" before testing. The text is more "lifeless" than human text typically is, tends to have uniform length sentences, and may have a paragraph at the end that is a summary paragraph. The text is also unlikely to have in-line references. This doesn't catch all of them but tends to be a high-likelihood way of finding them. Some of these AI-generated articles also have AI-generated references. The references are almost always fake: the AI confabulates reasonable-sounding references! — rsjaffe 🗣️ 00:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm just stumbling across this after a heads-up in the newsroom for The Signpost. We included a teaser about AI generated articles in a recent issue. Can you tell me how to find the articles you tagged? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:20, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bri Search for hastemplate:AI-generated in article and draftspace. I think several of them did make it to article space but were then draftified. I'd have to go through the edit history to figure out which ones those were. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 16:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, a couple have had the template removed after the author re-edited the page to remove the AI-generated text. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 16:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Here we go: Draft:Nordic states game industry was in article space. It was subsequently moved to Draft. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 16:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Your take on AI content quality

Thanks for the pointer to the draft. Do you have a personal reaction to the quality of the generated articles? Briefly, are you for or against this method of creation? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Strongly against. These language generators are good at stringing together reasonable-sounding text, but:

1. Don't rely solely on what Wikipedia recognizes as reliable sources.

2. Don't have a sense of what is real and what is fake.

3. Will fabricate information to fill in gaps.

4. Cannot identify where any specific bit of "information" came from.

So the text can fail WP:RS and WP:V, yet may look very convincing.

However, they're good at helping to break "writer's block", by giving an example of how to write something. So I see having some text generated by ChatGPT would be helpful as a writing prompt, but without using any of the generated text directly—just looking at it and then writing a well-researched article similar to the prompt. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 17:06, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Cool, let's follow up more at The Newsroom, I see one of the other editors contacted you by email and I'm not sure who was first (doesn't really matter now). ☆ Bri (talk) 21:11, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Before I do anything else, could you affirm that it's OK if I use the conversation above in The Signpost as a mini interview? Also, do you prefer we refer to you by the name on your userpage, your on-Wiki username, or both? ☆ Bri (talk) 21:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

OK, to use conversation. Refer to me with both username and my real name (Rory Jaffe). — rsjaffe 🗣️ 22:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Did you message me about this page? You were wondering if I have written wikipages before? I assume you see my history, yes? Davejenk1ns (talk) 18:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)