Talk:Quranism

"Example" section

So where did you get these views on Quranism? There are so many errors that I don't know where to start from. Maybe the reason is that the main feature of "Quranism" is not to follow any human authorities, and therefore each one may have their own view.

For example, prayer times: some say, it should be 5, others 3, others reject fixed times at all.

Pilgrimage: some say hajj is not a pilgrimage but a discussion forum, and/or that it shoiuld not take place in Mecca, but at another place (with differnt theories about it). What is maybe a general feature: it calls not only muslims, but humanity in general ("call the people to the hajj").

Hajj / Pilgrimage: according to Quran is done anytime during the "known monthS" (2:197). Months are written in its plural form in Arabic. Through corruption and traditionalism, it has turned into a 6 day event. The Quraysh tribe seems to be back on business, governing Mecca. History repeats itself.

Sacred Months: Altering the sacred months according to Quran is a sign of strong disblief (9:36-37), and Quranists believe these months have been altered. Zul-Hijjah, 11th month of the year, has the same root word with Hajj, and it is considered a sacred month for this simple fact. Rabi, the 4th month following Zul-Hijjah, is the 3rd month of the next year. Rabi has the same root with Araba, which means "4". Armed with this information, Quranists think that these are the actual sacred months, and they were altered by traditionalists at one point in history. Since Quran makes it clear that there is no other source for the religiion, the book is perfect and complete, this is the conclusion one would come up with if there were no traditions, no hadith and sunnah books. Quranists think that Hajj should be done all the way from Zul-Hijjah (Hajj), Muharram, Safar, and Rabi (Araba/4).

Domestic violence: the "quranites" I know all say that it means "separate from them", not "beat them".

"War against Israel": though most "Quransits" may be critical of the politics of Israel, this does not mean they call people to war. Moreover, the concept of Palestinians (or any other) as "Muslim people" is denied by many. Abrogation: most Q. see abrogation as only referring to older scriptures, not within the Quran.

Anti-Christ: as there is nothing about Anti-Christ or Mahdi in Quran, all such ideas can only be individual opinions.

Anti-Christ and Mahdi: The idea of an Anti-Christ most likely made it's way to sectarian Islam through traditions, possibly through forced converts during caliphate years, and Mahdi might be the hero character to make the Christian tradition a Muslim tradition. Same with Christian rosary being used for prayers among Islamic Traditionalists.

Amen: This is the name of Amen-Ra or Amun-Ra, a chanting that made it's way to Jewish tradition through their years in Egypt. Made it's way to Christianity and Islam. There is not a single sentence with the word "Amin" in Quran, however traditional muslims seal every prayer with this Pharaoh's name. This is a common issue with Quran's statements vs. traditional islam. Pharaoh's were considered the enemies of a free man according to history, and Quranic text.

Inter-religious marriage: many Q. state that muslim women may as well marry christian or jewish men.

Source:

Therefore, it might be better to delete the examples at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.194.0.17 (talk) 09:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Severe Vandalism

In an effort to restore the article to its previous (and much better state), it was restored back to its previous state by an anonymous editor. Is there any way to stop the horrific vandalism going on in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.176.81 (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Where is the Criticism section?

This is absolutely ridiculous. On a wikipedia article about an ideological movement, you can't even find a single word of criticism (!), let alone a section dedicated to explaining what critics have to say (who are the overwhelming vast substantial majority of Muslim scholars). I felt like I'm reading an article from a quranist website that is making an argument to prove themselves right, not from an objective encyclopedia that claims to be objective and to emphasize critical discourse! I'm dying of laughter at this nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.64.159 (talk) 16:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

This may be a legitimate request, but please don't forget you are in Wikipedia and speak properly (WP:CIVILITY). Criticism section will be created when sources are gathered. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~^Contact 17:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Protestant

Quranism or Quraniyya (Arabic: القرآنية‎; al-Qur'āniyya; also known as Quran-only Islam or Quranic Islam) is a protestant branch of Islam.

The meaning of “protestant” in this sentence is not clear. postleft ✍ (Arugula) ☞ say hello! 02:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it's too appropriate, but whoever added it probably had in mind Sola scriptura... AnonMoos (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I think it refers to Quranism emerging as a protest against Sunni and Shia doctrines and practice, similar to how Protestant Christianity rose as a protest against the Catholic Church. That's how Edip Yüksel along with some other prominent Quranist figures define it anyway. Sincerely, Adigabrek^Talk 17:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

(Apologies, I didn’t see the responses in this thread until today…) I don’t think it’s undue per se, but I do think there should be some kind of clarification on its meaning. I’m by no means an expert on the topic, but even replacing “protestant” with “sola scriptura” would be clearer IMO. (I also think it might be inappropriate to source one English word to a non-English source, but in this case I defer to editors with more experience/knowledge of the topic.) postleft on mobile! 02:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I finally got some time today, so I found the cited book. It turns out this book is originally in English, so I think it is exceptionally strange for the Turkish version (a translation) to be cited in an English article. In any case, the book does not say Quranism is protestant. I tried to find a reference for this on Google Books, JSTOR, and a few other sources I have institutional access to, and by Googling keywords (including searching through more of Yüksel’s work), but came up empty-handed. I’m now going to be WP:BOLD and remove it, since the lead already says it’s “similar to... the Sola Scriptura view of Protestant Christianity.” Thanks everyone and feel free to add it back in if you find a proper reference. :-) postleft on mobile! 17:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Discuss removal of content.

@2a04:4a43:4d7f:8c08:89ac:6c16:5f87:8f47: Please explain. Sincerely, Adigabrek^Talk 19:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Tengri is the hadit cult idol

Did you know? -

It is "God" who states The Deity has a son. It is Tengri who states hadith explain the Quran.

Instead, lets relatinize The Deity, from the quranic initials, as that is probably what they are about, as they include Ya, Sin, Ra, from different alphabets. For latin, it becomes Ein.

Ein is The Only Deity.

Peace. 84.215.119.50 (talk) 06:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)