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i didnt delete anything...

i got a message tht said i deleted stuff about kent hovind...i havent been on here for about 2 weeks...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Large pathetic galaxy (second nomination)

Hi Seraphimblade, hope adminship is treating you well. Fraid I'm here to complain though :-) (heh, you wanted the job...). I'm really not sure about your close of this AfD as no concensus. There were no keep opinions in it and a difference of opinion as to whether outright deletion or a conversion into a redirect was appropriate. As I see the breakdown of comments:

• 4 delete opinions - all well argued
• 2 redirect opinions - one well argued, the other just saying "potentially useful" as redirect
• 1 move opinion - well rebutted, with the proposnent then showing confusion as to the proper fate of the article

There seemed to be agreement that there should no longer be an article at Large pathetic galaxy. If you weren't sure whether to delete outright or change into a redirect surely you could have relisted the debate for further discussion? I am presently minded to take the close to DRV but wanted to discuss it with you first... WjBscribe 15:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The talkpage is not going to be a productive venue for discussion on an article that so few people visit. And a delete concensus ona talkpage is of no validity anyway. Why did you not just relist the debate in todays AfDs so concensus could be reached? WjBscribe 16:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

My problem is that all I can do is start a new AfD, whereas you can relist the present discussion in todays debates adding the {{relist}} tag to the end of the present discussion, so that the debate continues from the point it had reached. I really think its important to get an actual outcome on this one. WjBscribe 16:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the process, but from my point of view we've been left with an article that says "Large pathetic galaxy is the informal designation for a large, dim clump of primarily red giant stars in proximity to our own galaxy." which is just not true, and I don't know what to do about that. Could you bear to explain on my talk page (or WJB's) what the options are? Thanks Chrislintott 17:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Large pathetic galaxy. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. WjBscribe 18:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely no problem- got to that outcome in the end. And we're all learning around here- I don't regret supporting your RfA, I think you're doing a great job! I've listed the AfD in the appropriate Delsort so that there might be more comments this time and we can actually get a result :-). WjBscribe 16:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR followup

A checkuser revealed that editor Davkal used a sockpuppet/meatpuppet to evade his 3RR block and make an additional revert: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Davkal. Just giving you a heads up since you were the admin who gave him the 3RR block (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Davkal reported by User:Milo H Minderbinder (Result: 24 hours)). --Minderbinder 18:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it. --Minderbinder 12:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

help out

can you help get the false "vandalism" warnings off my talk page? one editor put 12 or so of them there even though there was no vandalism and others keep re-inserting them, and i just am not sure how things work here, if i remove them is that 3RR or is it OK? if others keep putting them on there is that harrassment? it seems that when people see the warnings they just assume they are true. --71.112.7.212 06:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks a million seraphimblade 71.112.7.212 06:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean I have to let him insult me?

Does that mean I have to let him insult me? Can I at least archive the talk page? He is clearly doing this to me (and others, btw) to avoid having his pr-text edited. Answer on this page, please.--DorisH 13:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It certainly does not. If an editor is being insulting, ask them to stop. If they refuse to do so, there are processes for dispute resolution, and you may also make an informal complaint on the incident noticeboard. However, the fact that one editor is behaving inappropriately does not mean that any other editor is excused from doing so. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not planning on feeding the trolls. The practice of smear-campaigning is what they employ throughout, as can be seen in the edit histories - so it would be kind of braindead of me to assume that they would stop if I ask them to. It just gives them more opportunity to smear-campaign, that's why you should not feed the trolls. --DorisH 13:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support during my recent RfA. I'm quite honored, and I hope I can live up to your words. (And I'll take all the support I can get. ^_-) Shimeru 16:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Is there a particular reason why you decided to skip this report?   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Gwen Gale

Just a FYI. Daniel Bryant 23:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And more FYI.--Blue Tie 00:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Gale states that she has emailed you and received no response. I urge you to respond in a timely fashion.Derex 01:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I don't want anything else, and I had no opinion over the block itself. The timing may have caused some confusion, as you may have been in the process of unblocking when I left this note (2 minutes before the unblock registered). Derex 01:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your gracious reply Seraphimblade, it's truly appreciated. Sorry about missing on your age (argh) and what's more, I'll take the whole thing as a friendly 3rr warning if that's ok with you. Gwen Gale 01:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

AFD on Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hi,

An AFD on my Bio Rajkumar Kanagasingam is brought only to distract the offences at wikipedia after stealing my e-mail address and thereafter my wiki passwords by Netmonger and his/her group and nothing else. How this user can bring this AFD before he clears himself from the offences which is now under investigation under an Administrator’s supervision and the details are here.Rajkumar Kanagasingam 05:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/The Wonder Girls

Hey, sorry about the mess here; I was fixing a few broken/incomplete AfD noms at the time, and in my rush "fixed" one that wasn't actually broken in the first place (the nominator created it in the proper location Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wonder Girls soon after). Since I created it in error, I tagged it as {{db-owner}} --- or is there a reason we need to keep the page? Thanks, cab 12:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Around the Rings

You labeled it a blatant advertisement and I have to disagree. If you've done any work within the Olympic movement at all, you would have heard of this group. Do a little research and you'll realize this is a legitimate entry. It would be akin to labeling an entry for ESPN as an ad. Aroundtherings.com is the only news agency that follows the business of the Olympics and as such, they get incredible access to world leaders. Send a note to anyone at the IOC, the USOC or even BOCOG and they will respond back. user:janicelmcdonald
I guess I'm still trying to work my way through where I should respond to your response, so I'm putting it here. I'm listing some places where Around the Rings has been quoted or referred to in order to verify that they are what I said. Your welcome to "userfy" it if you'd like. CHeck these links at: CNN [[1]] NPR [[2]] Sports Business News [[3]] USOC [[4]] VISA [[5]] Commons Dreams [[6]] World Rowing [[7]] This site lists Around the Rings as an official Olympic website McCarthy PR [[8]] user:janicelmcdonald
Sure. What do I need to do to rewrite? I know there is a lot more to say about it but I would have to do some more research. user:janicelmcdonald
Ok, I found a few things where others site the service's influence. Here is an article from Newsweek which calls it the "go-to source" for Olympic Bid information[[9]], and in Reuters where they refer to it as "influential." [[10]] They are quoted as well in the Chicago Sun Times. [[11]] user:janicelmcdonald

Unfair

It was unfair of you to unblock user:Gwen Gale, who has a long history of edit waring. She games the system by stopping short of 4 reverts in 24 hours. She has been warned before. This time she violated the rule and should have been subjected to the consequences. --However whatever 22:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying

I'm trying to discuss the problem, but FeloniusMonk and Guettarda seem to think that baseless accusations by some blogger are comments and not allegations and seem to give them quite a bit of credence. Additionally, they seem to think that pointing out that only two people have made such allegations "minimizes" it because they want to include "other" critics but then there are no supporting links, only two blogs where one quotes the other. Care to help resolve the issue? El Cubano 05:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. El Cubano 05:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

AN3 report

FM screwed up the time stamps - all 4 reverts are within 24 hours. Guettarda 06:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

As a participant in the dispute, I'd say my advice isn't worth much. El Cubano is an established editor, who seems to have intentionally violated the 3rr. Obviously a block isn't meant to punish, just to stop. As for his actions since your warning - the look to me like he tried to recruit you to help him. If I were not involved, I would probably block him. On the other hand, if you AGF, you should never block anyone unless they had continued edit warring after they had broken the 3rr and been warned once. In that case though, it would be a 4rr. Guettarda 06:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I'm annoyed by what appear to be specious arguments (at least to me), and I'm trying to work on articles, not engage someone who is using what seem to be straw man arguments. Oh well. Guettarda 06:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

who are you?

who the hell are you and why are you trying to tell me what to do? Tell me, or else. Even if you cancel my account, I will another and keep making more, and more, and even more, so if you're just some random dude, then fuck off! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PoidLover (talk • contribs) 09:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Interesting remedy re LE web page

Protection is an interesting remedy with the Landmark Education web page. I have actually believed that it, for the longest time, should be protected. I also believe that Smee needs to be blocked on an ongoing basis whenever the 3RRs occur. The two examples I cited are rather abrasive, and Smee, in these cases, should request dispute resolution rather than reverting. Sm1969 05:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for protecting the page. I will no longer be focusing on editing that page in the future, and it will be off of my watchlist for a long time. In the future I will be much more quick to seek out dispute resolution. Thanks again. Smee 05:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

What blocking does do is add to the "block log" for this particular user so as dispute resolutions are used, it is possible to show the true character of an editor over long periods of time. User:Smeelgova has had arbitrations before on a related topic "The Hunger Project" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hunger) and a comment by Wikipedia general counsel Brad Patrick, "I'm not the best person to respond to this given my role, but I can tell you that the pattern of editing that you have engaged in over the past month, with your selection of articles, POV (in my estimation) and tendency to edit in only a very narrow area warrant very careful evaluation of exactly what it is you are doing. I just took a look at the page you put together on Harry Margolis and your choice of supposedly "relevant" legal items, and I'm really not sure what you are up to except grinding an axe. I believe you are going to be called out for your viewpoint. You might want to ask yourself if, as the userpage of User:Essjay asks, with every click of the "save page" button you are making Wikipedia a better place. Are you?--BradPatrick 23:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That quote is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Danny_Archive_6

My response to your comment is that Smeelgova should be blocked whenever she engages in 3RR, particularly when both the letter and spirit are violated, as is the case here. This is how a track record is built. When mediation and arbitration are invoked, the track record is will get taken into consideration. When Smee/Smeelgova is allowed to apologize her way out of it, there is no track record. That's the problem I have with protection only. Sm1969 05:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• That was a long time ago. I have since widened my areas of research quite a great deal. And, as stated above, I am taking a long-needed break from the Landmark Education article. Perhaps Sm1969 should as well. Smee 05:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

I have been on a long break from the LE article, with 11 (eleven) edits so far this *year* prior to today. You have thousands so far this year, mostly on LE and related topics, all with a very strong POV as pointed out by Brad Patrick. Sm1969 06:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)