Talk:Sadomasochism

This article

This article has been created to factor out sadism, masochism, and sado-masochism in the abstract from the article on BDSM.

Lowercase or capital "m"?

I hope I have this right (considering I typed the whole thing myself):

• On Wikipedia, Sadism and Masochism redirects to Sadism and masochism.
• On Wikiquote, Sadism and masochism redirects to Sadism and Masochism.

Brianjd 07:44, 2004 Dec 17 (UTC)

To be written

• Courtly love as a predecessor of masochism?

If so, how so? & is it not arguable that in fact the behaviors themselves precede courts of any kind?

Seratonin and Melatonin

The emotional effects of Seratonin and Melatonin are looking a bit wobbly under current research - revise? Note in main article?

Medical classification

Things have moved on greatly since this article was written. I've pulled in the medical classification section from the BDSM article in its entirety, with a few slight copyedits to reflect the surrounding context. -- The Anome (talk)

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Does a masochist literally enjoy pain?

It's something to think about and maybe include in the article. I would say, no. Nobody enjoys pain for pain's sake. There's something else they're getting out of the experience, a psychological fulfillment or acting out of some sort. 2600:8801:BE26:2700:B09F:3FEF:E7EB:2AC5 (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC) James.

• Yes, IF it's "good pain", definitely! I've seen people enjoy being flogged, caned, given huge enemas, etc., but if they had a headache or stubbed their toe, etc., they would hate it as much as anyone else would! Helen4780 (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I am going to answer this please do not ask how I know. This is my own personal analyzation of the topic (kind of, DID is complicated). “Pain” is a very lose term, and to define it as any one feeling is a fools errand. Psychologically, the core concept that is generally appreciated is the association of excess endorphins released from certain kinds of nerve stimulation. Generally, this endorphin release comes from stimulation of sensitive sexual organs, however for masochists, that differs. (This topic is not well studied, due to the ethical concerns and closeted nature of the topic, however the commonly excepted theorem is that endorphin release is so strenuous and minuscule for an individual that the inflection of certain types of pain and the endorphin release associated there in in is enough to make an addictive dopamine loop, similar to the reason why people with depressive conditions are more likely to self harm.)

The level and type of this pain can very greatly. I am incidentally an amazing individual for this comparison, as both of my personalities are masochistic in nature. I personally (as I am now) am more infatuated with the divide of an individual being lesser then another. The act of obeying is highly gratifying and the unpredictability of unconditional consent to virtually everything is thrilling. This me does not actively seek pain, however I won’t flee if it seeks me. Other me on the other hand is borderline addicted to pain, and derives extreme endorphins from extreme heat, cold, anything sharp, and trauma to padded tissue (of which is worth noting, I am basically anemic so take that as you will). Anything else, need be broken bones, a concussed head, tooth aches, and the rest are just as bad as they would be for you.

I hope that answers your question Tlettr (talk) 20:08, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Haha! "Good pain?" Hmmm. What's the difference? Pain is pain. Is this a language problem or a problem separating two things that seem to be joined together but really aren't. Maybe the language of behaviorism would be helpful -- the concept of "contingencies of reinforcement." Pain is a contingency that is necessary (a condition that must be fulfilled) in order to get the pleasure. 2600:8801:BE26:2700:B09F:3FEF:E7EB:2AC5 (talk) 03:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC) James.

• See Glossary of BDSM. Helen4780 (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Masochism unconnected wirh sadism?

The standalone article for “masochism” redirects here for some reason, which leads me to wonder: is it possible for masochism to exist on its own without being attached to sadism (i.e. can one enjoy receiving pain while disapproving of pain being inflicted upon others?) On a related note, is there a non-sexual form of sadism and/or masochism, where individuals enjoy inflicting and/or receiving pain but do not receive that pleasure in the form of sexual gratitude? The article lacks in that regard. 2001:4453:534:9600:4413:2D6B:D61:BBDC (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)