Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

• To list a technical request: the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:

  {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}

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• If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
• If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

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Uncontroversial technical requests

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• Tea Culture in Japan (currently a redirect to Tea culture in Japan) → Tea culture in Japan (move · discuss) – WP:NCCAPS 2A00:23EE:15F8:3F31:902F:59FF:FE15:F39B (talk) 22:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
• MLB on Fox → Major League Baseball on Fox (currently a redirect back to MLB on Fox) (move) – the article title should be reverted back to where it was previously, in order to conform with naming conventions for other "Major League Baseball on X" article titles, templates & namespaces. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

  Recent RM in opposite direction. Please start a new RM if you want this moved. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• Westcote → Westcote (Cranston, Rhode Island) (move · discuss) – DAB from Westcote, Gloucestershire, a parish is more important than a single house. The base name should be a DAB if not for the parish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
• Template:Piracy opentask (currently a redirect to Template:WikiProject Piracy/opentask) → Template:WikiProject Piracy/opentask (move · discuss) – indicate scope and association for this work template -- NOTE: {{WikiProject Piracy}} coding will need to be updated to indicate the new name of this subtemplate. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 21:07, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
• Draft:Net zero (currently a redirect to Net zero emissions) → Net zero (currently a redirect instead to Net zero emissions) (move · discuss) – Draft ready for mainspace Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

If your request involves reverting a move, place it here.

Contested technical requests

Do not insert new requests in this section. Only move requests here if the requested move has been contested.

• Walhaz (currently a redirect to *Walhaz) → – The asterisk is an obligatory part of the word. (The template says that this is not a valid destination, but it appears to be valid and there's already a redirect there.) Jcitawy (talk) 14:52, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

  Hi @Jcitawy, I'm not disagreeing with the move you're requesting, but I do have 2 questions: why is the name you want no used in the lead, and should it be moved to *Walhaz or *walhaz ? Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

  1) The asterisk was deleted in this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walhaz&diff=1050284542&oldid=1049092893

  2) Probably *Walhaz. I don't think the capitalization is very standardized but that's the form already used in the article. Jcitawy (talk) 17:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jcitawy: None of the articles in Category:Reconstructed words currently have an asterisk in the title. Rather than changing the consistent titling in an undiscussed move, this should be a requested move. The request should probably be to move multiple pages (e.g., all PIE and PG words) in one request (WP:RMCM). SilverLocust 💬 00:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that we should discuss it thoroughly; but I very much support the proposal to make article titles match the actual word, rather than using approximations that probably changes a lot of meaning in linguistics. Whenever, I read linguistics articles, I find that every tiny glyph carries some meaning and significance, so we should not avoid them in titles. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 19:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: The meaning of the asterisk, by the way, is that it is a reconstructed word. (In other linguistics contexts it is used to indicate an incorrect usage.) SilverLocust 💬 23:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jcitawy, I think the conclusion here is this needs a formal discussion. Please start an RM. I think you'll find several people, including me, who would support your proposal in a formal discussion, but this definitely cannot be processed here as an undiscussed, uncontroversial move, for the reasons explained by @SilverLocust. If you don't know how to start an RM and you need help, please let me know and I'll be happy to help. Dr. Vogel (talk) 00:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• PP-19-01 Vityaz → PP-19 Vityaz (currently a redirect back to PP-19-01 Vityaz) (move · discuss) – Revert move by sockpuppet, as per WP:BANREVERT Loafiewa (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Loafiewa: Hm. Do you substantively prefer PP-19 Vityaz? This was an RM, albeit with no other participants. The same user (using Guns & Glory) was also the one who moved it to PP-19 Vityaz in 2020. I don't see anyone in previous discussions who expressed a preference for "PP-19 Vityaz" over "PP-19-01 Vityaz". The previous consensus, as determined by a different user's banned sockpuppet in 2018, was "not moved" from Vityaz-SN. SilverLocust 💬 02:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not contesting this, however. SilverLocust 💬 03:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't feel particularly strongly about any of the 3 names, but BANREVERT states that "the presumption in ambiguous cases is to revert". Loafiewa (talk) 05:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

While it is true that there is no solid consensus among the 3 names, the sock followed standard procedure to request the move. The last move request which I closed was originally a contested technical request which was converted into a formal RM. The same will hold true for this technical request. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 09:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree – there was plenty of opportunity for someone to oppose the move, and nobody did. If someone has an objection outside of BANREVERT, I'd be more encouraged to overturn. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Needs to go through RM to determine consensus. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 09:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

• Vadym Gutzeit → Vadim Gutzeit (currently a redirect back to Vadym Gutzeit) (move · discuss) – In accord with WP:COMMONNAME, the guiding policy here. Vadym Gutzeit has 27,600 google hits, but Vadim Gutzeit has over two times as many -- 54,500 google hits. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B90B:DAA9:2A4:E56C (talk) 08:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

This proposed move is also controversial and likewise needs to be decided by consensus. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment: 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B90B:DAA9:2A4:E56C please consider registering an account. You're participating in several threads here and that'd make it easier to communicate. Dr. Vogel (talk) 01:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• Ar Tonelico 2 → Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica (currently a redirect back to Ar Tonelico 2) (move · discuss) – WP:NCVG, it's the work's official title with Roman numerals & the subtite.  ►Kyo  ►Talk  05:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
• Ar Tonelico Qoga → Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel (currently a redirect back to Ar Tonelico Qoga) (move · discuss) – WP:NCVG, it's the work's official titlem  ►Kyo  ►Talk  05:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

@DarkKyoushu: WP:NCVG says the title should be "the most common word or phrase used to describe" it (WP:COMMONNAME), which may not be the full official title (WP:OFFICIALNAME). If the common name is a short version, but that short version is still ambiguous, then the full name could be used to disambiguate the page from other articles (WP:NATURAL). SilverLocust 💬 07:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, either way; It should be lowercase "Ar tonelico" - and with a roman numeral for the second title, as WP:NCVG 4. "For series that use either Arabic numerals or Roman numerals to denote the order of games in the series, use the numerals in the official titles for the games, even if their types vary from game to game (for example, Final Fantasy IV instead of Final Fantasy 4, and Quake 4 instead of Quake IV)." I would argue that it'd be WP:COMMONNAME - and by extension WP:NCVG's "Use the most commonly accepted English name first" as all sources on the article use "Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica"; The sources on the Qoaga article use "Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel" or "Ar tonelico III" - although now that I'm siffing through these articles and sources; It lacks references and I think these are ready for a clean-up and overhaul.  ►Kyo  ►Talk  15:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

• 1997 Albanian civil unrest → 1997 Albanian rebellion (move · discuss) – I think simply describing this event as unrest is not enough as it was a huge event, and most sources call it a rebellion, revolt or even a civil war. 1991 Iraqi uprisings is not called 1991 Iraq unrest so we should change this article’s name. Other suggestions welcome 88.240.249.238 (talk) 22:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

  There was an RM 3 months ago that resulted in a move in the opposite direction. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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