Talk:Mormons

edits that should be made immediatly

Whenever someone reads this site, false facts are being fed to the public. This site should correct people that the term Mormon is incorrect. All the information should be changed to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Mormon page should be a page to correct us, and a link should be left redirecting them to the church of Jesus christ of latter Saints. Then people will be learning the correct terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.bennion281 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The article does in fact state that the official term used by LDS since 2018 is "Latter-day saints" rather than mormons. It does not state that the official term is mormon, it is a term used in general though by a majority of people. Also the term mormonism doesn't only apply to LDS church, it applies to other denominations as well (edited former comment to include this). CIN I&II (talk) 03:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The Associated Press Stylebook says in 2018 this church moved away from calling itself the Mormon church or the LDS church, and the church itself has issued a style guide. Maybe the editors of this article should begin to think about moving it. I note the article became a GA in 2012. A redirect from Mormon would be fine. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Why are there two articles?

This and Mormonism Mike F (talk) 14:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Because there are two subjects covered. We also have many other articles on different Mormon subjects. -Roxy the dog 15:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

And does it make sense to have them under these two very similar titles? Genuine question Mike F (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Genuine answer. -Roxy the dog 18:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

So, to clarify: Is there a subtle difference I don't quite get yet (as I assumed in my first reply), or is the argument really, seriously just the basic semantic one that there's a difference between the noun denoting a faith and the one denoting its followers? Like between "Conservatism" and "Conservatives", is that it? Mike F (talk) 13:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

If you cannot see it, then perhaps wikipedia isn't for you. -Roxy the dog 13:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I am questioning the relevance of that distinction for the purpose of making Wikipedia articles. We don't have articles for "carpentry" and "carpenters", do we? Mike F (talk) 14:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

A better example is Jews and Judaism. One is a group of people with a distinct culture/identity/almost ethnicity. The other is a religion/religious tradition. We also have an article about the largest church in Mormonism: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All these things are closely related, but they're not the same thing. ~Awilley (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for a reasonable answer! That obviously makes some more sense and certainly makes having two articles an arguable position at least. I am still not convinced that it is better than putting them in one article in the particular case, but then I am not an expert on the subject matter as such. I basically came here as an interested reader and didn't know which article to read. At the very least, I don't think that the distinction is made very clear when you first come to this article Mike F (talk) 08:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Or rather, I suspect it's more that the definition of "Mormons" as given in the beginning of the article doesn't really differentiate the supposed topic enough from "Mormonism", because it's kinda hard to do so? Because it is, after all, not so clear as the distinction between Jews and Judaism? Not sure, as I said, I am not an expert, just a hunch. At least it's better than that Christians page, which outright defines its subject matter as being the followers of Christianity (and rightly so, but imo robbing itself of justification of its existence) Mike F (talk) 09:51, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

'Mormons' and Mormonism'

I'm surprised, and disappointed, at your use and/or definition of 'Mormons' and Mormonism'. There is no such term(s) used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The word Mormon is only used in describing the Book of Mormon. Any other use is considered derogatory. 2001:569:7648:2800:D157:44E7:C113:AEB5 (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Both are words in the dictionary, and Wikipedia is uncensored. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:15, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Um no, Wikipedia is not uncensored. There's censorship going on Wikipedia with edit reverts by Wikipedia staff and users who tend to reject my and other users contributions edits and that happens even to me when I've tried to contribute to certain Wikipedia article edits in the past for over 10 years. And there's also copyright image censorship which I'm not allowed to add on Wikipedia articles since I got in trouble in the past for unknowingly added copyrighted images. CrosswalkX (talk) 05:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

This article's intro states it covers a topic which is larger than just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It covers all modern day cultural groups that came out of the original church founded by Joseph Smith. Of which the LDS Church members are just one group, albeit the majority one. I think the confusion comes when later portions of the article seem to focus heavily on only LDS Church members. So what is this article, is it the culture of all groups who the word "Mormon" may refer to? In which case many of the links and reference feel like they should be reframed so that they are more clearly indicating the culture of LDS Church members, as opposed to FLDS or other related groups - who may have differences in culture. And if not, and this is just about the culture of LDS Church members, then I would agree using the word Mormon is probably better replaced with the phrase Latter-day Saint A crapo (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

"Mormonism" in this context is a bit like "Judaism". A lot of the logic in this essay parallels Mormonism. (Is it a religion? Is it a culture? Is it an ethnicity?) Undoubtedly the LDS Church is the predominant shaper of Mormon culture (think Word of Wisdom, Family Home Evening, LDS Missions, etc.) but there's more than that. There's the polygamy that still exists in FLDS groups. The political conservatism. Cuisine like Jello (where did that come from?) and funeral potatoes. I think this article could be improved by expanding more into the cultural side of things and de-emphasizing the specific doctrines of the LDS Church. ~Awilley (talk) 01:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Etymology?

According to the wiktionary they are simply derived from the eponymous book, also from two things the eponymous prohet and his eponymous water. Makes sense? I think not! Who ever invented that relgiious word for no good reason at all?2404:8000:1027:85F6:A958:5DEB:3F43:D77B (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Doctrinal change

"Tattoos and body piercings are also discouraged, with the exception of a single pair of earrings for LDS women." is now outdated information as of Spring 2023. New guidelines have been released and tattoos and additional piercings are no longer completely forbidden. I may edit this in myself if I find the time, but if someone else is looking to improve this page then that may be a good avenue. Inndrid (talk) 18:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

"Discouraged" is different to "completely forbidden", I don't think they were ever the latter. The guideline I remember reading some time before 2005 said tattoos were no problem where they're used to show rank etc. in the local culture. In the 90s (UK) I knew an active church member who had his blood type tattooed on his wrist (ex-army medic). My take-away was that the church was only against tattoos that were purely for decoration. Pastychomper (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)